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	<title>Comments on: Live in Edinburgh This Week &#8211; 19th October&#160;2008</title>
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		<title>By: Drunk Country</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2008/10/live-in-edinburgh-this-week-19th-october-2008/#comment-8985</link>
		<dc:creator>Drunk Country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;The Square Club&lt;/b&gt; was at the bottom of Westgate Street &amp; I think the building is now either part of Ticket Master or Ticket Line or something, or may be still a solicitors (which is what it turned into when their license was finally revoked &amp; the owners kicked out on their arse).

Some people refer disparagingly to it as a grubby goth club, but it was far, far more than that.  It was on two levels - downstairs was a long corridor of a rats maze, lots of seating areas in mad nooks &amp; tight corners, often overshadowed by HUGE bass amps &amp; bins.  Down there you had what was considered indie cross-over (you&#039;d get the latest fad music, which tended to veer towards popular indie dance, some hip hop, some gansta rap etc.).  It&#039;s there where I first experienced &lt;b&gt;NWA&lt;/b&gt;&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Straight Oughta Compton&lt;/i&gt;, sat on the shoulder rest of one of the wall sofa&#039;s, leaning against a bass bin, &amp; it was a perfect &lt;i&gt;King of New York&lt;/i&gt; experience.  The world looked all that bit more sinister as I was pounded by the bass &amp; beat &amp; the dance place had that beautifully sleazy bacchanalian vibe/post-Roman orgy feel it was infamous for - regularly people were &#039;caught&#039; fucking in the various little nooks &amp; crannies &amp; in the office doorway halfway up the stairs leading to the second floor.

On the second floor you had your more &#039;hardcore&#039; musical element, it was a much smaller dance space with seats around the walls, a DJ booth with a lifelongb resident DJ (Lizard) who played everything from Happy Mondays&#039; &lt;i&gt;Wrote For Luck&lt;/i&gt;, to Big Black&#039;s &lt;Kerosene&lt;/i&gt;, to Soft Cell&#039;s &lt;Memorabilia&lt;/i&gt;, to Butthole Surfer&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Cherub&lt;/i&gt;, to Bongwater, Galaxie 500, Nitzer Ebb, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Pixies, Sonic Youth, etc. etc.

I met my first serious girlfriend there (when I was 17) at a private party that I &amp; a few friends had put on for a series of coinciding birthdays (the &lt;b&gt;Baz, Daz, Shaz &amp; Gaz Bash&lt;/b&gt;) &amp; I ended up abandoning the party to go back to her place (she lived with her parents in Dinas Powys) &amp; pretending I was a friend from her college course (she was 24) in order to get them to agree for me to stay the night.  6 months later I moved in with them all (£100 a month, shared room, separate beds) &amp; commuted back to my home town of Caldicot to finish my A Levels.  I stayed there for almost 2years.

The only other place that &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; compared was &lt;b&gt;Subways, which was the basement of what was the GWR pub on the bottom end of St. Mary&#039;s Street - but, it became populated by a mnacing posse of genuine skinheads &amp; all hell used to break out when one of them decided he was sick of smelling Dewberry Oil (the body masking scent of choice for most students of a certain ilk back then) &amp; would smash a bottle across someone&#039;s cranium.  We didn&#039;t go there that often, only when the &lt;b&gt;SC&lt;/b&gt; was shut de to license irregularities.

Yes, very fond memories of the old &lt;b&gt;Square&lt;/b&gt;.  It was a fucking marvelous place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The Square Club</b> was at the bottom of Westgate Street &amp; I think the building is now either part of Ticket Master or Ticket Line or something, or may be still a solicitors (which is what it turned into when their license was finally revoked &amp; the owners kicked out on their arse).</p>
<p>Some people refer disparagingly to it as a grubby goth club, but it was far, far more than that.  It was on two levels &#8211; downstairs was a long corridor of a rats maze, lots of seating areas in mad nooks &amp; tight corners, often overshadowed by HUGE bass amps &amp; bins.  Down there you had what was considered indie cross-over (you&#8217;d get the latest fad music, which tended to veer towards popular indie dance, some hip hop, some gansta rap etc.).  It&#8217;s there where I first experienced <b>NWA</b>&#8216;s <i>Straight Oughta Compton</i>, sat on the shoulder rest of one of the wall sofa&#8217;s, leaning against a bass bin, &amp; it was a perfect <i>King of New York</i> experience.  The world looked all that bit more sinister as I was pounded by the bass &amp; beat &amp; the dance place had that beautifully sleazy bacchanalian vibe/post-Roman orgy feel it was infamous for &#8211; regularly people were &#8216;caught&#8217; fucking in the various little nooks &amp; crannies &amp; in the office doorway halfway up the stairs leading to the second floor.</p>
<p>On the second floor you had your more &#8216;hardcore&#8217; musical element, it was a much smaller dance space with seats around the walls, a DJ booth with a lifelongb resident DJ (Lizard) who played everything from Happy Mondays&#8217; <i>Wrote For Luck</i>, to Big Black&#8217;s &lt;Kerosene, to Soft Cell&#8217;s &lt;Memorabilia, to Butthole Surfer&#8217;s <i>Cherub</i>, to Bongwater, Galaxie 500, Nitzer Ebb, The Cure, Depeche Mode, Pixies, Sonic Youth, etc. etc.</p>
<p>I met my first serious girlfriend there (when I was 17) at a private party that I &amp; a few friends had put on for a series of coinciding birthdays (the <b>Baz, Daz, Shaz &amp; Gaz Bash</b>) &amp; I ended up abandoning the party to go back to her place (she lived with her parents in Dinas Powys) &amp; pretending I was a friend from her college course (she was 24) in order to get them to agree for me to stay the night.  6 months later I moved in with them all (£100 a month, shared room, separate beds) &amp; commuted back to my home town of Caldicot to finish my A Levels.  I stayed there for almost 2years.</p>
<p>The only other place that <i>really</i> compared was <b>Subways, which was the basement of what was the GWR pub on the bottom end of St. Mary&#8217;s Street &#8211; but, it became populated by a mnacing posse of genuine skinheads &amp; all hell used to break out when one of them decided he was sick of smelling Dewberry Oil (the body masking scent of choice for most students of a certain ilk back then) &amp; would smash a bottle across someone&#8217;s cranium.  We didn&#8217;t go there that often, only when the </b><b>SC</b> was shut de to license irregularities.</p>
<p>Yes, very fond memories of the old <b>Square</b>.  It was a fucking marvelous place.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now you see, I was probably &lt;i&gt;at&lt;/i&gt; the kiddie disco (at least when it was indie night.)

And a smell of piss and beer doesn&#039;t necessarily prevent anywhere from being a good venue!

When started living back in Cardiff at an age old enough to go out without my mum, it was 1996 and I was 21.

I don&#039;t remember the Square (Apart from that awful barn on St. Mary Street, and I &lt;i&gt;know&lt;/i&gt; you don&#039;t mean that dump!)

Sounds like I missed out on something a bit special!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now you see, I was probably <i>at</i> the kiddie disco (at least when it was indie night.)</p>
<p>And a smell of piss and beer doesn&#8217;t necessarily prevent anywhere from being a good venue!</p>
<p>When started living back in Cardiff at an age old enough to go out without my mum, it was 1996 and I was 21.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember the Square (Apart from that awful barn on St. Mary Street, and I <i>know</i> you don&#8217;t mean that dump!)</p>
<p>Sounds like I missed out on something a bit special!</p>
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		<title>By: Drunk Country</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drunk Country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommy&#039;s Bar is in Howard Gardens, UWIC.  2mins around the corner from DCHQ.

The thing with Barfly is I&#039;ve never used it like a &lt;i&gt;club&lt;/i&gt;.  For one thing it smells of piss stale ale. I only ever went there for bands &amp; fucked off as soon as the kiddie disco cranked up — unless I was meeting the headlining band, for whatever reason, after they&#039;d packed up.  So, I&#039;ve avoided knowing the names of the bar staff unless, obviously, I know them already.

Now, if I mentioned &lt;b&gt;The Square Club&lt;/b&gt; I bet you haven&#039;t got a clue what I&#039;m on about... although, depending on when you started going out drinking in Cardiff, you just &lt;i&gt;may&lt;/i&gt;be old enough to recognise the name &amp; understand the significance of the place.

It&#039;s where I saw &lt;b&gt;Spiritualized&lt;/b&gt; 2 years before &lt;b&gt;Lazer Guided Melodies&lt;/b&gt; was released &amp; about 2 weeks after their first single, &lt;i&gt;Anyway That You Want Me&lt;/i&gt; (which I still have), quietly snuck out.

It was an ENORMOUS gig for me - the best I&#039;ve ever been to, period.  I was at the front, dead centre, face buried into the stomach of the sole &#039;security&#039; guy for most of the first 20 minutes, as the 100-odd crowd kept surging forward towards the whole, original line-up of the band crammed into what would normally have been a seating area at the back part of the groundfloor of the club.  For most of the gig I held onto the neck of Jason &#039;Spacemen&#039; Pierce&#039;s guitar (above his capo) &amp; propped myself up by grabbing onto the mic stand.  All this to stop myself from being pushed into him by a stupidly enthusiastic audience.

That&#039;s what I remember more than anything: JP rooted to the spot because (a) that was his wont, (b) there was no room to move with the whole band jammed behind him in a tiny space, &amp; (c) me hanging on to his guitar &amp; mic so he simply couldn&#039;t really move anywhere anyway.  Then him, mid song, catching my eye &amp; winking at me.  I was 18.  Nothing would better that for fucking years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy&#8217;s Bar is in Howard Gardens, UWIC.  2mins around the corner from DCHQ.</p>
<p>The thing with Barfly is I&#8217;ve never used it like a <i>club</i>.  For one thing it smells of piss stale ale. I only ever went there for bands &amp; fucked off as soon as the kiddie disco cranked up — unless I was meeting the headlining band, for whatever reason, after they&#8217;d packed up.  So, I&#8217;ve avoided knowing the names of the bar staff unless, obviously, I know them already.</p>
<p>Now, if I mentioned <b>The Square Club</b> I bet you haven&#8217;t got a clue what I&#8217;m on about&#8230; although, depending on when you started going out drinking in Cardiff, you just <i>may</i>be old enough to recognise the name &amp; understand the significance of the place.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s where I saw <b>Spiritualized</b> 2 years before <b>Lazer Guided Melodies</b> was released &amp; about 2 weeks after their first single, <i>Anyway That You Want Me</i> (which I still have), quietly snuck out.</p>
<p>It was an ENORMOUS gig for me &#8211; the best I&#8217;ve ever been to, period.  I was at the front, dead centre, face buried into the stomach of the sole &#8216;security&#8217; guy for most of the first 20 minutes, as the 100-odd crowd kept surging forward towards the whole, original line-up of the band crammed into what would normally have been a seating area at the back part of the groundfloor of the club.  For most of the gig I held onto the neck of Jason &#8216;Spacemen&#8217; Pierce&#8217;s guitar (above his capo) &amp; propped myself up by grabbing onto the mic stand.  All this to stop myself from being pushed into him by a stupidly enthusiastic audience.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I remember more than anything: JP rooted to the spot because (a) that was his wont, (b) there was no room to move with the whole band jammed behind him in a tiny space, &amp; (c) me hanging on to his guitar &amp; mic so he simply couldn&#8217;t really move anywhere anyway.  Then him, mid song, catching my eye &amp; winking at me.  I was 18.  Nothing would better that for fucking years.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s Tommy&#039;s Bar?</description>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barfly would be cool - I have a soft spot for that venue. Some very good times there.

Last time I went in I&#039;d been living in Edinburgh for two years and was back home for a visit. Me and a couple of mates went in and Mike the DJ recognised me straight away and put Debaser on (My usual request).

Which I thought was nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barfly would be cool &#8211; I have a soft spot for that venue. Some very good times there.</p>
<p>Last time I went in I&#8217;d been living in Edinburgh for two years and was back home for a visit. Me and a couple of mates went in and Mike the DJ recognised me straight away and put Debaser on (My usual request).</p>
<p>Which I thought was nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Drunk Country</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drunk Country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They haven&#039;t announced Saturday&#039;s breakdown yet - so no one knows where they are playing at present.  My guess would be one of three places: Tommy&#039;s Bar, The Point, or Barfluy (depending on who&#039;s supporting).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They haven&#8217;t announced Saturday&#8217;s breakdown yet &#8211; so no one knows where they are playing at present.  My guess would be one of three places: Tommy&#8217;s Bar, The Point, or Barfluy (depending on who&#8217;s supporting).</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What venue are they playing. Does anyone know?..</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never know you to take a drink DC.  You&#039;ve always struck me as the very model of sobriety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never know you to take a drink DC.  You&#8217;ve always struck me as the very model of sobriety.</p>
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		<title>By: Drunk Country</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drunk Country</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fuck them, I was talking about me.</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I doubt it.  The Broken Records lads don&#039;t drink much.  Very sensible lads.</description>
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