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		<title>By: Slowcoustic &#187; New on the &#8216;nets this week</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2008/10/would-you-all-just-calm-the-fuck-down/#comment-9017</link>
		<dc:creator>Slowcoustic &#187; New on the &#8216;nets this week</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m inclined to agree with you, if it were a perfect world, without religion, fraudsters or self serving politicians we would need no rules governing competition,  there&#039;s always going to be a few who ruin it for everybody else, that&#039;s life I suppose.

The danger as I see it is the government get into their heads that everything needs regulated.  Just get CDS market sorted out (if there is one going forward), ban self certification mortgages and only allow a portion of the debt you securitise to be passed onto 3rd parties, keeping the remainer on your books.  Rather than the whole obfuscated mess going round the washing machine at 1400rpm.

Also, please to god Gordon Brown, don&#039;t go the way you&#039;re heading and start to believe that the government is an efficient allocator of capital.
As said in this article http://cityunslicker.blogspot.com/2008/10/what-do-we-get-for-our-recession.html we do not need &quot;Equality advisers, firework officers and wheelie bin detectives.&quot;

Or maybe the New deal could be a computer for every home.  Mind you Hitler coined that type of idea after the last depression with a VW for every home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m inclined to agree with you, if it were a perfect world, without religion, fraudsters or self serving politicians we would need no rules governing competition,  there&#8217;s always going to be a few who ruin it for everybody else, that&#8217;s life I suppose.</p>
<p>The danger as I see it is the government get into their heads that everything needs regulated.  Just get CDS market sorted out (if there is one going forward), ban self certification mortgages and only allow a portion of the debt you securitise to be passed onto 3rd parties, keeping the remainer on your books.  Rather than the whole obfuscated mess going round the washing machine at 1400rpm.</p>
<p>Also, please to god Gordon Brown, don&#8217;t go the way you&#8217;re heading and start to believe that the government is an efficient allocator of capital.<br />
As said in this article <a href="http://cityunslicker.blogspot.com/2008/10/what-do-we-get-for-our-recession.html" rel="nofollow">http://cityunslicker.blogspot.com/2008/10/what-do-we-get-for-our-recession.html</a> we do not need &#8220;Equality advisers, firework officers and wheelie bin detectives.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or maybe the New deal could be a computer for every home.  Mind you Hitler coined that type of idea after the last depression with a VW for every home.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2008/10/would-you-all-just-calm-the-fuck-down/#comment-9015</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh yes, she&#039;ll be delighted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, she&#8217;ll be delighted.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ovett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Ovett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I imagine Mrs Toad will be gutted that Fayed has found another way to get himself on the front pages again! Jeez, how publicity-hungry must that guy be? WIll he stop at nothing to get in the Daily Mail???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine Mrs Toad will be gutted that Fayed has found another way to get himself on the front pages again! Jeez, how publicity-hungry must that guy be? WIll he stop at nothing to get in the Daily Mail???</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Petro - you&#039;re quite right, I think I have done this more than once.  I have been trying to steer clear of Billy Bragg because I overused his stuff on ranty posts for a bit, but it seems I am now erring in the other direction.

Ted, well free market fundamentalists tend to assume that rules governing competition are bad in and of themselves.  I think there is only one way to characterise these people: a hopelessy naive bunch of idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Petro &#8211; you&#8217;re quite right, I think I have done this more than once.  I have been trying to steer clear of Billy Bragg because I overused his stuff on ranty posts for a bit, but it seems I am now erring in the other direction.</p>
<p>Ted, well free market fundamentalists tend to assume that rules governing competition are bad in and of themselves.  I think there is only one way to characterise these people: a hopelessy naive bunch of idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: ACID TED</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACID TED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blimey. Can&#039;t compete with Mrs Toad. But could I point out that the financial deregulation that in part underlies the problems we have been having, in the UK at least, have roots far beyond the current administration, going at least as far back as the Big Bang of the stock markets in the 1980s and the start of a deregulatory approach to financial services. these are the same financial services who are blaming Government/regulator inaction on both sides of the Atlantic that spent the last twenty years bleating about over-burdensome regulation and threatening to quit the UK if they weren&#039;t so &#039;oppressed&#039; by Government. And in the UK, the Tories were on the deregulatroy kick even very recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blimey. Can&#8217;t compete with Mrs Toad. But could I point out that the financial deregulation that in part underlies the problems we have been having, in the UK at least, have roots far beyond the current administration, going at least as far back as the Big Bang of the stock markets in the 1980s and the start of a deregulatory approach to financial services. these are the same financial services who are blaming Government/regulator inaction on both sides of the Atlantic that spent the last twenty years bleating about over-burdensome regulation and threatening to quit the UK if they weren&#8217;t so &#8216;oppressed&#8217; by Government. And in the UK, the Tories were on the deregulatroy kick even very recently.</p>
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		<title>By: petro</title>
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		<dc:creator>petro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Toad,
Is it me, or do you tend to stick Idiot Wind at the end of your post everytime you get a bit angry at someone?
(a great song for angry days)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Toad,<br />
Is it me, or do you tend to stick Idiot Wind at the end of your post everytime you get a bit angry at someone?<br />
(a great song for angry days)</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Toad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs Toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main problem is that governments are elected for short periods whereas people really have to invest over long ones for a decent retirement.

Consequently, Brown&#039;s short term decisions like plundering tax credits from UK pension funds and creating SIPPs (Self investment pension Plans) saw investors make an entirely rational choice to react to the devaluation of their future returns from equities (the tax credit may not have been huge but compounding is powerful) by buying alternative assets to fund their retirement.

Given that long run returns from property exceed short term financing costs, that property is a familiar asset and that households can gear up to acquire it (try going to your bank manager and telling him you want to borrow £180,000 to invest in equities for 25 years and see how far you get) and that they have to live somewhere anyway, for many it appears the ideal nest egg solution.  households don&#039;t think about opportunity cost and risk they way that economists do, otrherwise our rental sector would be a hell of a lot bigger.

The intangible, relative benefits of owning a home in the UK (not sure re US) have also been increased by the successive attempts by the landlord lobby to undermine security of tenure.  In many European companies, long term unfurnished lets with discretion over decor etc are common.  Many German people never own a home whereas in the UK, short assured tenancies with 1 month notice are prevalent in the private sector.

The intangible benefits of course, turn out to be a kick in the nuts when you are 30% underwater and need to move 100 miles to replace the job that you have just been canned from.  Our addiction to home ownershio exacerbates our inability to maintain labour mobility at a level to cope with inevitable periods of economic stress and perpetuates pockets of unemployment in hard hit areas.

However, the &quot;getting on the ladder&quot; urge remains a key part of the british mindest regardless and most government policies perpetuate rather than erode this.  Why not tax houses just like other capital assets and give tax incentives to focus people on more diversified savings packages?  Then landlords and houseowners would focus on present value and yield a lot more than capital gains from property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main problem is that governments are elected for short periods whereas people really have to invest over long ones for a decent retirement.</p>
<p>Consequently, Brown&#8217;s short term decisions like plundering tax credits from UK pension funds and creating SIPPs (Self investment pension Plans) saw investors make an entirely rational choice to react to the devaluation of their future returns from equities (the tax credit may not have been huge but compounding is powerful) by buying alternative assets to fund their retirement.</p>
<p>Given that long run returns from property exceed short term financing costs, that property is a familiar asset and that households can gear up to acquire it (try going to your bank manager and telling him you want to borrow £180,000 to invest in equities for 25 years and see how far you get) and that they have to live somewhere anyway, for many it appears the ideal nest egg solution.  households don&#8217;t think about opportunity cost and risk they way that economists do, otrherwise our rental sector would be a hell of a lot bigger.</p>
<p>The intangible, relative benefits of owning a home in the UK (not sure re US) have also been increased by the successive attempts by the landlord lobby to undermine security of tenure.  In many European companies, long term unfurnished lets with discretion over decor etc are common.  Many German people never own a home whereas in the UK, short assured tenancies with 1 month notice are prevalent in the private sector.</p>
<p>The intangible benefits of course, turn out to be a kick in the nuts when you are 30% underwater and need to move 100 miles to replace the job that you have just been canned from.  Our addiction to home ownershio exacerbates our inability to maintain labour mobility at a level to cope with inevitable periods of economic stress and perpetuates pockets of unemployment in hard hit areas.</p>
<p>However, the &#8220;getting on the ladder&#8221; urge remains a key part of the british mindest regardless and most government policies perpetuate rather than erode this.  Why not tax houses just like other capital assets and give tax incentives to focus people on more diversified savings packages?  Then landlords and houseowners would focus on present value and yield a lot more than capital gains from property.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Jon, not wishing to be a twat, I am glad you commented.  The tension you describe between actual thinking and herd instinct pretty much affects all of us every day.  We can talk a good game, but ultimately no matter how clever a species we think we are, we are incredibly limited, as animals go.

We know that we are exhausting the planet&#039;s resources, but no-one will ever reduce their red meat intake just for that.  Everyone in finance involed in creating the bubble must have known it was a bubble, long before it burst.  What it comes down to is the fact that we are a herd animal, and despite our ludicrous boasts about the size of our brains, we are basically just sheep - all of us.

The same instinct that saw financiers create the bubble from which we are now suffering is identical to the bubble that creates media hysteria around a shit new band - no-one wants to be last and no one wants to miss out.

And of course, the partisan question.  The Blair/Clinton axis has massve resonsibility for this crisis.  Incidentally, the same resonsibility that Obama will be taking on, because he is the same kind of charismatic, populist economic conservative that Blair was.  That Clinton was,  And that Brown is,  The left in America may be in for a disappointment f they elect Obama, but McCain has so little to offer that they would appear to be better off with disappointment than complete disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jon, not wishing to be a twat, I am glad you commented.  The tension you describe between actual thinking and herd instinct pretty much affects all of us every day.  We can talk a good game, but ultimately no matter how clever a species we think we are, we are incredibly limited, as animals go.</p>
<p>We know that we are exhausting the planet&#8217;s resources, but no-one will ever reduce their red meat intake just for that.  Everyone in finance involed in creating the bubble must have known it was a bubble, long before it burst.  What it comes down to is the fact that we are a herd animal, and despite our ludicrous boasts about the size of our brains, we are basically just sheep &#8211; all of us.</p>
<p>The same instinct that saw financiers create the bubble from which we are now suffering is identical to the bubble that creates media hysteria around a shit new band &#8211; no-one wants to be last and no one wants to miss out.</p>
<p>And of course, the partisan question.  The Blair/Clinton axis has massve resonsibility for this crisis.  Incidentally, the same resonsibility that Obama will be taking on, because he is the same kind of charismatic, populist economic conservative that Blair was.  That Clinton was,  And that Brown is,  The left in America may be in for a disappointment f they elect Obama, but McCain has so little to offer that they would appear to be better off with disappointment than complete disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that the phrase &quot;you don&#039;t know what it&#039;s like to handle millions of dollars&#039; and so forth is never countered with the phrase &quot;well then you should bloody know better shouldn&#039;t you&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that the phrase &#8220;you don&#8217;t know what it&#8217;s like to handle millions of dollars&#8217; and so forth is never countered with the phrase &#8220;well then you should bloody know better shouldn&#8217;t you&#8221;.</p>
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