Comments on: Gaza Fundraiser at Mono, Glasgow on Thursday 19th March 2009 http://songbytoad.com/2009/03/gaza-fundraiser-at-mono-glasgow-on-thursday-19th-march-2009/ Independent music from Edinburgh, Scotland - with added gin and swearing. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:38:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: tom snowball http://songbytoad.com/2009/03/gaza-fundraiser-at-mono-glasgow-on-thursday-19th-march-2009/#comment-23028 tom snowball Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:33:08 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5550#comment-23028 Hi, I just saw this thread the other day, thanks a lot Matthew for the write up and the support. Belated thanks to everyone who came to Mono on March 19th. On the night we made £746 to the Gaza Appeal. x tom Hi,
I just saw this thread the other day, thanks a lot Matthew for the write up and the support. Belated thanks to everyone who came to Mono on March 19th. On the night we made £746 to the Gaza Appeal.
x
tom

]]> By: Drunk Country http://songbytoad.com/2009/03/gaza-fundraiser-at-mono-glasgow-on-thursday-19th-march-2009/#comment-17054 Drunk Country Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:40:57 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5550#comment-17054 The Religious aspect, I would wager, in NI's case is simply (a) a way of justifying all the chest beating in public, (b)an identification which the 'ordinary' folk on either side of the 'divide' can grasp without feeling like they have any part in any violent reaction. Again, it's used/abused as a vehicle to get the guns to the front line. The Religious aspect, I would wager, in NI’s case is simply (a) a way of justifying all the chest beating in public, (b)an identification which the ‘ordinary’ folk on either side of the ‘divide’ can grasp without feeling like they have any part in any violent reaction.

Again, it’s used/abused as a vehicle to get the guns to the front line.

]]> By: Matthew http://songbytoad.com/2009/03/gaza-fundraiser-at-mono-glasgow-on-thursday-19th-march-2009/#comment-17039 Matthew Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:30:08 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5550#comment-17039 I think NI was brought up once or twice. I didn't realise it had been consistently bubbling under for so long. I don't think you can really blame religion for this kind of thing. People will just find another excuse, be it nationalism, racism, blue-socksism, whatever the fuck it it. Religions a handy tag, both for the fundies and for the people watching in horror, but I am not entirely convinced about how massive a role the specific ideology in question plays a role. It's important to have an ideology of course, but I am not sure it matters which one. I think NI was brought up once or twice. I didn’t realise it had been consistently bubbling under for so long.

I don’t think you can really blame religion for this kind of thing. People will just find another excuse, be it nationalism, racism, blue-socksism, whatever the fuck it it. Religions a handy tag, both for the fundies and for the people watching in horror, but I am not entirely convinced about how massive a role the specific ideology in question plays a role. It’s important to have an ideology of course, but I am not sure it matters which one.

]]> By: Drunk Country http://songbytoad.com/2009/03/gaza-fundraiser-at-mono-glasgow-on-thursday-19th-march-2009/#comment-17034 Drunk Country Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:02:45 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5550#comment-17034 Speaking of fundamentalists: am I right in thinking no one has yet mentioned Ireland? Especially now, what with the recent resurgence of news reports on very recent 'Real' IRA killings. This has been going on for quite some time, regardless of the Peace Process / Power Sharing blanket press coverage. It's just been sidelined/dampened to spin the positive. I'm guessing there was a brief moment when whoever makes these singular/collective decisions thought: <i>they'll get bored & go away</i> & so the RIRA weren't altogether taken too seriously. Different story now, eh? I don't even begin to imagine I know enough about <i>The Troubles</i> to warrant any meaningful discussion, but what I do know is, on the basis of the last 40years, religion can definitely be used as a catch-all 'excuse' (for the want of a better word) thinly disguising the real intent: power/control. Martin McGuinness is a perfect example of this - sure, there'll obviously have been / remains a strong underbelly of religious animosity (fuelled by territorial pissing on a major league scale*), but the politics is where it was really at. There he is, all in charge & quick to condemn the recent 'murders' (new times, new language) in a show of solidarity that will ruffle fundamentalists' feathers but keep the politicians agog & cement his position of (ahem) power. Thank God for Gerry Adams, eh?, skirting around the issue & seemingly refusing to condemn the killings. Without him this would have just remained a worthless cock measuring contest with the ghost of Ian Paisley shouting <i>'we know where you piss'</i>. *clearly I'm being simplistic & glib here, but you get the point Speaking of fundamentalists: am I right in thinking no one has yet mentioned Ireland? Especially now, what with the recent resurgence of news reports on very recent ‘Real’ IRA killings. This has been going on for quite some time, regardless of the Peace Process / Power Sharing blanket press coverage. It’s just been sidelined/dampened to spin the positive. I’m guessing there was a brief moment when whoever makes these singular/collective decisions thought: they’ll get bored & go away & so the RIRA weren’t altogether taken too seriously. Different story now, eh?

I don’t even begin to imagine I know enough about The Troubles to warrant any meaningful discussion, but what I do know is, on the basis of the last 40years, religion can definitely be used as a catch-all ‘excuse’ (for the want of a better word) thinly disguising the real intent: power/control.

Martin McGuinness is a perfect example of this – sure, there’ll obviously have been / remains a strong underbelly of religious animosity (fuelled by territorial pissing on a major league scale*), but the politics is where it was really at. There he is, all in charge & quick to condemn the recent ‘murders’ (new times, new language) in a show of solidarity that will ruffle fundamentalists’ feathers but keep the politicians agog & cement his position of (ahem) power.

Thank God for Gerry Adams, eh?, skirting around the issue & seemingly refusing to condemn the killings. Without him this would have just remained a worthless cock measuring contest with the ghost of Ian Paisley shouting ‘we know where you piss’.

*clearly I’m being simplistic & glib here, but you get the point

]]> By: Campfires &amp; Battlefields http://songbytoad.com/2009/03/gaza-fundraiser-at-mono-glasgow-on-thursday-19th-march-2009/#comment-17032 Campfires &amp; Battlefields Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:48:19 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5550#comment-17032 I recall reading somewhere that in the 1970s and early 1980s Yasser Arafat was confronted with the challenge of trying to make his more "extreme" PLO brethren--who had been encouraged to use violence for years and years--give up their violent ways and become engaged in a more political approach. He succeeded (creating the modern Fatah movement) in part by pulling strings to get these men <i>married</i>, knowing that once they had wives and kids they would feel they had something to lose and be less inclined to take risks. I recall reading somewhere that in the 1970s and early 1980s Yasser Arafat was confronted with the challenge of trying to make his more “extreme” PLO brethren–who had been encouraged to use violence for years and years–give up their violent ways and become engaged in a more political approach. He succeeded (creating the modern Fatah movement) in part by pulling strings to get these men married, knowing that once they had wives and kids they would feel they had something to lose and be less inclined to take risks.

]]> By: Rampant Chutney Consumerism http://songbytoad.com/2009/03/gaza-fundraiser-at-mono-glasgow-on-thursday-19th-march-2009/#comment-17026 Rampant Chutney Consumerism Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:15:17 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5550#comment-17026 i don't think that all of them would say yes..... Matthew is right, and i would add it is part of a coping mechanism to survive their day-to-day life. i don’t think that all of them would say yes…..

Matthew is right, and i would add it is part of a coping mechanism to survive their day-to-day life.

]]> By: Dylan http://songbytoad.com/2009/03/gaza-fundraiser-at-mono-glasgow-on-thursday-19th-march-2009/#comment-17024 Dylan Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:56:10 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5550#comment-17024 I think you're trying to apply a rationality to their midset that doesn't exist. Remember when your mum would tell you off for - whatever - throwing stones say. And you'd say "But little Johnny told me to do it" and your mum would say "If little Johnny told you to walk off a cliff would you do it?". These are people who would reply "Yes." I think you’re trying to apply a rationality to their midset that doesn’t exist.

Remember when your mum would tell you off for – whatever – throwing stones say. And you’d say “But little Johnny told me to do it” and your mum would say “If little Johnny told you to walk off a cliff would you do it?”.

These are people who would reply “Yes.”

]]> By: Matthew http://songbytoad.com/2009/03/gaza-fundraiser-at-mono-glasgow-on-thursday-19th-march-2009/#comment-17023 Matthew Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:50:29 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5550#comment-17023 Yes, because if you dilute the peer group or disperse it or isolate the main agitators or give the others an alternate means of finding whatever support or friendship that they get from that peer group then you could easily reduce the number of people you have to deal with on a criminal level. Yes, because if you dilute the peer group or disperse it or isolate the main agitators or give the others an alternate means of finding whatever support or friendship that they get from that peer group then you could easily reduce the number of people you have to deal with on a criminal level.

]]> By: Dylan http://songbytoad.com/2009/03/gaza-fundraiser-at-mono-glasgow-on-thursday-19th-march-2009/#comment-17022 Dylan Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:44:45 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5550#comment-17022 <i><blockquote>A lot of people engaged in what you might think of as fundamentalist actions are not necessarily fundies themselves. They might be, but they might also be caught up in a peer group which pushes them further than they might otherwise go</i></blockquote> And is either variety scarier than the other? Does it actually matter to draw that distinction?
A lot of people engaged in what you might think of as fundamentalist actions are not necessarily fundies themselves. They might be, but they might also be caught up in a peer group which pushes them further than they might otherwise go

And is either variety scarier than the other?

Does it actually matter to draw that distinction?

]]> By: Rampant Chutney Consumerism http://songbytoad.com/2009/03/gaza-fundraiser-at-mono-glasgow-on-thursday-19th-march-2009/#comment-17021 Rampant Chutney Consumerism Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:58:03 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5550#comment-17021 yeah yeah

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