Comments on: White Antelope http://songbytoad.com/2009/05/white-antelope/ Independent and alternative music in Scotland - with a shitload of gin. Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:09:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Rampant Chutney Consumerism http://songbytoad.com/2009/05/white-antelope/#comment-21433 Rampant Chutney Consumerism Fri, 15 May 2009 14:20:30 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5907#comment-21433 well lets see what happens when someone tells Sam......thats right nothing! well lets see what happens when someone tells Sam……thats right nothing!

]]> By: Dylan http://songbytoad.com/2009/05/white-antelope/#comment-21402 Dylan Fri, 15 May 2009 12:41:11 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5907#comment-21402 This is what I'm thinking will apply to Sam, even if it has been legally ascertained yet. I would be very surprised if Sam has signed a contract with Bedroom Community that specifies that the rights to every performance he ever does anywhere of anything belong to them. Instead I would be inclined to believe they have international distribution rights for the <i>All Is Well</i> album, and that's about it. The thing is; none of the songs he performed at the Toad Session are actually on <i>All Is Well</i>. One track - unless I'm mistaken - was an on-the-spot improvisation for fuck's sake. So given those as facts, the rights to the performance would remain with Sam, any dispute over ownership and distribution of the recordings would be between him and Matthew, and nothing to do with Bedroom Community. I doubt Sam even knows all this is going on. I suspect that Niamh Burke-Neff has stumbled over the Toad Sessions while googling Sam's name one afternoon, and taken it upon herself to start a fight. This is what I’m thinking will apply to Sam, even if it has been legally ascertained yet.

I would be very surprised if Sam has signed a contract with Bedroom Community that specifies that the rights to every performance he ever does anywhere of anything belong to them. Instead I would be inclined to believe they have international distribution rights for the All Is Well album, and that’s about it.

The thing is; none of the songs he performed at the Toad Session are actually on All Is Well. One track – unless I’m mistaken – was an on-the-spot improvisation for fuck’s sake.

So given those as facts, the rights to the performance would remain with Sam, any dispute over ownership and distribution of the recordings would be between him and Matthew, and nothing to do with Bedroom Community.

I doubt Sam even knows all this is going on. I suspect that Niamh Burke-Neff has stumbled over the Toad Sessions while googling Sam’s name one afternoon, and taken it upon herself to start a fight.

]]> By: Euan http://songbytoad.com/2009/05/white-antelope/#comment-21394 Euan Fri, 15 May 2009 12:13:15 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5907#comment-21394 Recording of shows for non-profit trading is allowed and encouraged, provided you send a master copy of the recording to: Ekonomisk Mgmt / 1608 N. Milwaukee Ave - ste 401 / Chicago, IL / 60647. All rights to anything recorded, audio or video, remain Andrew Bird’s. Straight from Andrew Birds website.....that's pretty cool information to know! Recording of shows for non-profit trading is allowed and encouraged, provided you send a master copy of the recording to: Ekonomisk Mgmt / 1608 N. Milwaukee Ave – ste 401 / Chicago, IL / 60647. All rights to anything recorded, audio or video, remain Andrew Bird’s.

Straight from Andrew Birds website…..that’s pretty cool information to know!

]]> By: Matthew http://songbytoad.com/2009/05/white-antelope/#comment-21377 Matthew Fri, 15 May 2009 10:52:20 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5907#comment-21377 Well can you imagine if he put one of his Toad Sessions on a B-Sides compilation and I didn't get a cent? Personally, I wouldn't give a shit, but I can imagine people getting snotty about it. I might be more affronted if it were a famous band, maybe, just because they would be more of a commercial exercise to begin with. I don't mind supporting Sam with some free recording and video work, but I would object to making a contribution to a bigger label's expenses tab, for example. But I think that might be a very wooly distinction. I am doing all those videos for Broken Records for free, remember, but 4AD are definitely big enough to pay for that kind of thing. Not that I'm complaining, of course, because I love the lads and I loved doing those videos, but you see what I mean about it being more a question of scale and extent than one of something being absolutely right or wrong. It comes back to what you say about having a little perspective. Well can you imagine if he put one of his Toad Sessions on a B-Sides compilation and I didn’t get a cent? Personally, I wouldn’t give a shit, but I can imagine people getting snotty about it.

I might be more affronted if it were a famous band, maybe, just because they would be more of a commercial exercise to begin with. I don’t mind supporting Sam with some free recording and video work, but I would object to making a contribution to a bigger label’s expenses tab, for example. But I think that might be a very wooly distinction.

I am doing all those videos for Broken Records for free, remember, but 4AD are definitely big enough to pay for that kind of thing. Not that I’m complaining, of course, because I love the lads and I loved doing those videos, but you see what I mean about it being more a question of scale and extent than one of something being absolutely right or wrong.

It comes back to what you say about having a little perspective.

]]> By: Rampant Chutney Consumerism http://songbytoad.com/2009/05/white-antelope/#comment-21373 Rampant Chutney Consumerism Fri, 15 May 2009 09:07:11 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5907#comment-21373 can you? i can't......and Sam is off my Xmas card list....Matthew, you're not going to rip off/exploit anybody, and if you did, I'd be the first person knocking on your door. Music is about life, emotion and the other, you're helping them getting it out there and just cos a modicum of success their go into control overdrive.....yes they need to make a living but a little perspective here please! Love Tom can you?

i can’t……and Sam is off my Xmas card list….Matthew, you’re not going to rip off/exploit anybody, and if you did, I’d be the first person knocking on your door. Music is about life, emotion and the other, you’re helping them getting it out there and just cos a modicum of success their go into control overdrive…..yes they need to make a living but a little perspective here please!

Love

Tom

]]> By: Matthew http://songbytoad.com/2009/05/white-antelope/#comment-21372 Matthew Fri, 15 May 2009 08:50:25 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5907#comment-21372 Sorry Chutters. I deleted the comment. I don't mind people discussing the rights and wrongs of stuff in this thread, but I don't want personal abuse. Partly because it won't help anything, but also because we really don't know anything about the woman, so one annoying conversation isn't a lot to go on. I'm as annoyed as you, I promise you, but I can to some degree see where she's coming from. Sorry Chutters. I deleted the comment. I don’t mind people discussing the rights and wrongs of stuff in this thread, but I don’t want personal abuse. Partly because it won’t help anything, but also because we really don’t know anything about the woman, so one annoying conversation isn’t a lot to go on. I’m as annoyed as you, I promise you, but I can to some degree see where she’s coming from.

]]> By: Rampant Chutney Consumerism http://songbytoad.com/2009/05/white-antelope/#comment-21366 Rampant Chutney Consumerism Thu, 14 May 2009 22:53:19 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5907#comment-21366 i've just added another to the list? i’ve just added another to the list?

]]> By: Rampant Chutney Consumerism http://songbytoad.com/2009/05/white-antelope/#comment-21365 Rampant Chutney Consumerism Thu, 14 May 2009 22:52:39 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5907#comment-21365 uh huh? uh huh?

]]> By: Matthew http://songbytoad.com/2009/05/white-antelope/#comment-21360 Matthew Thu, 14 May 2009 22:02:38 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5907#comment-21360 Voldermania - sorry, did I mix up the links? I thought I'd labelled them properly. Never mind, you can't go wrong with a bit of TMTCH. And you're right, fuck it, maybe I should be making exploitation more of a mission statement. Dylan - that's the lass. Voldermania – sorry, did I mix up the links? I thought I’d labelled them properly. Never mind, you can’t go wrong with a bit of TMTCH.

And you’re right, fuck it, maybe I should be making exploitation more of a mission statement.

Dylan – that’s the lass.

]]> By: Voldermania http://songbytoad.com/2009/05/white-antelope/#comment-21358 Voldermania Thu, 14 May 2009 20:21:07 +0000 http://songbytoad.com/?p=5907#comment-21358 That was incredibly confusing. I was just tricked into dling something by The Men they didn't hang. Thanks for the songage! Aside: Surely exploitation is incredibly edgy, and thus something to which we should all aspire? That was incredibly confusing. I was just tricked into dling something by The Men they didn’t hang.
Thanks for the songage!

Aside: Surely exploitation is incredibly edgy, and thus something to which we should all aspire?

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