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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 02:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This blog is populated by redneck hillbillies! Go watch some Nascar you fucking Bufords!</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/07/michael-jackson-makes-us-all-look-bad/#comment-33146</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why thank you, I am indeed hot.</description>
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		<title>By: Jaxx</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/07/michael-jackson-makes-us-all-look-bad/#comment-33139</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mathew-just happened to be searching the web and came across your post. What a &quot;hot ass mess&quot; you must be. Talk about self loathing? Only someone with no self esteem or regard for human life would post something a twisted and obviously uninformed as you have in regards to MJ. So you knew him personally huh? You had to have in order to come to the conclusion and inform an opinion such as the one you have formed. Ignorance is the most severe for of self abuse there is, and to put yourself in judgment of someone else rather they be a homeless unknown individual or a media named superstar. I sure hope that in these months that have followed since you posted this twisted mess you have stepped back, try to inform yourself or just simply educated yourself as to why it is never a good idea to sit in judgment of others. If not let me help you &quot;judge not least ye be judged&quot; that sums it up. Have a nice, non famous, self riteous,predisposed to judgments, self proclaimed, non faith having life.
P.S.
Please don&#039;t ever try to wonder why black people or any other group or race does not think or agree as the so called majority or yourself does...because you will never get any where assuming that they do not...as a matter of fact try not thinking at all because it seems to have side effects that are very unpleasant for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mathew-just happened to be searching the web and came across your post. What a &#8220;hot ass mess&#8221; you must be. Talk about self loathing? Only someone with no self esteem or regard for human life would post something a twisted and obviously uninformed as you have in regards to MJ. So you knew him personally huh? You had to have in order to come to the conclusion and inform an opinion such as the one you have formed. Ignorance is the most severe for of self abuse there is, and to put yourself in judgment of someone else rather they be a homeless unknown individual or a media named superstar. I sure hope that in these months that have followed since you posted this twisted mess you have stepped back, try to inform yourself or just simply educated yourself as to why it is never a good idea to sit in judgment of others. If not let me help you &#8220;judge not least ye be judged&#8221; that sums it up. Have a nice, non famous, self riteous,predisposed to judgments, self proclaimed, non faith having life.<br />
P.S.<br />
Please don&#8217;t ever try to wonder why black people or any other group or race does not think or agree as the so called majority or yourself does&#8230;because you will never get any where assuming that they do not&#8230;as a matter of fact try not thinking at all because it seems to have side effects that are very unpleasant for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what if I gave children drugs and wine. drugs ah alright ken! I never finger banged a fucking child though yah sick cunts wi just just got blootered and listened to the grateful dead and played miss packman, fuck all to do round my way. I didnt know that little cunt was out to get my stash. YOu dont think I made no good music do ya?? listen pal my music lives on... your music (and I know your all musicians) is all pish whiney indie shimdy folky pooptube toss. So fuck youz all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what if I gave children drugs and wine. drugs ah alright ken! I never finger banged a fucking child though yah sick cunts wi just just got blootered and listened to the grateful dead and played miss packman, fuck all to do round my way. I didnt know that little cunt was out to get my stash. YOu dont think I made no good music do ya?? listen pal my music lives on&#8230; your music (and I know your all musicians) is all pish whiney indie shimdy folky pooptube toss. So fuck youz all.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/07/michael-jackson-makes-us-all-look-bad/#comment-24649</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...Oasis were influential, it&#039;s just that they influenced loads of average, shite, rubbish bands to make records our lives would be better off without hearing. It started with Northern Uproar and went downhill from there. Added to which their own work has been fairly non-essential since about 1997, give or take the odd track. Though much less painful listening than Nickleback.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;Oasis were influential, it&#8217;s just that they influenced loads of average, shite, rubbish bands to make records our lives would be better off without hearing. It started with Northern Uproar and went downhill from there. Added to which their own work has been fairly non-essential since about 1997, give or take the odd track. Though much less painful listening than Nickleback.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think you&#039;ve said it very well.  It&#039;s always a fucking novel with you, mate, no wonder you&#039;re a writer.  But this is long, but good.

I was indeed talking about how drastically differently we behave as a species depending upon the fame of the person we were accusing of [insert heinous crime here].

I also agree with you about his influence on pop music: it doesn&#039;t really have to be down to who wrote the songs, otherwise all classic folk performers are out the window.

What I do disagree with is the extent of his dubious behaviour.  The point about owning suspicious porn is a very good one - it means, on its own, nothing - but I get the impression, in an entirely non-rigorous and non-absolutist sort of way, that there was a bit more going on than that.

Either way though, nicely expressed, for a man who clearly wrote that comment after coming home from the pub.

But if you &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt; call Oasis influential in my company again I may have to stab you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think you&#8217;ve said it very well.  It&#8217;s always a fucking novel with you, mate, no wonder you&#8217;re a writer.  But this is long, but good.</p>
<p>I was indeed talking about how drastically differently we behave as a species depending upon the fame of the person we were accusing of [insert heinous crime here].</p>
<p>I also agree with you about his influence on pop music: it doesn&#8217;t really have to be down to who wrote the songs, otherwise all classic folk performers are out the window.</p>
<p>What I do disagree with is the extent of his dubious behaviour.  The point about owning suspicious porn is a very good one &#8211; it means, on its own, nothing &#8211; but I get the impression, in an entirely non-rigorous and non-absolutist sort of way, that there was a bit more going on than that.</p>
<p>Either way though, nicely expressed, for a man who clearly wrote that comment after coming home from the pub.</p>
<p>But if you <i>ever</i> call Oasis influential in my company again I may have to stab you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I sure hope none of you guys are lawyers (!?) if anyone thinks the possession of an entirely (not barely) legal pornographic magazine is somehow relevant evidence in a child sex abuse case. So, shit, I guess we&#039;d all better check our HDDs for little titties then? That&#039;s exactly the kind of straw-grasping nonsense American prosecutors come up with when they know they don&#039;t have a strong case - paint him as a sexual deviant of any kind (he buys porno!) and it&#039;s only a small step to paedophilia. Child-sized mannequins I don&#039;t know about, but there&#039;s certainly enough room in the case for reasonable doubt, and that&#039;s why he wasn&#039;t convicted and why nobody&#039;s dwelling on it now.

Anyway, I think the point Matthew was making underneath this all - about celebrities generally getting away with more than regular people by dint of their fame - is a good one. (R. Kelly is really the one we should all be up in arms about - he was acquitted of pissing on a 12 year old girl despite the... video of him clearly pissing on a 12 year old girl! I&#039;m happy to accept that as relevant evidence.) Also, it seems to me we often expect less of famous people, in that the slightest kindness shown by them is often blown out of proportion. One of the family&#039;s lawyers was eulogising last week about how kind the Jackson family was and used as his prime example - when he went to visit them, and there wasn&#039;t a chair for him, so Janet went into another room to get him a chair! Yeah, totally normal thing for a host to do, but he seemed to think it was the sign of an extraordinarily kind heart or something. Clearly Jacko wasn&#039;t the saint he&#039;s been painted as by some, but those people are crazy. And, because every-other-person in the world was a Michael Jackson fan, obviously he&#039;s going to have a lot of crazy fans too. And a few witty, intelligent, good-looking, opinionated-but-fair fans too eh Matthew?

MUSICALLY - the best album any Jackson ever released is obviously Control. And yes, Prince outstripped MJ in practically every way, but I think you can say MJ was one of the most influential pop stars ever even though it wasn&#039;t particularly because of musical innovation or whatever (like you&#039;d say about Prince). In the same way as Oasis were by far the most influential British band of the 90s, because they were SO popular, MJ&#039;s been influential simply because everyone on the planet knows who he is and can sing one of his songs. It doesn&#039;t matter what you do, that kind of fame is influential. It&#039;s just a different kind of &quot;influence&quot; than most of us music geeks are used to talking about (how many people can sing a Pavement song, cmon now). But, songs like Thriller and Beat It and Billy Jean and Bad and Man In The Mirror and Smooth Criminal and Don&#039;t Stop Til You Get Enough and Rock With U... aren&#039;t songs like this why we like pop music? Isn&#039;t their ineffable genius the same as The Beach Boys&#039; and Blondie&#039;s and The Smiths&#039; and Kate Bush&#039;s and and WHOEVER wrote the bloody song!? Yes, yes it is.

I&#039;ve said too much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I sure hope none of you guys are lawyers (!?) if anyone thinks the possession of an entirely (not barely) legal pornographic magazine is somehow relevant evidence in a child sex abuse case. So, shit, I guess we&#8217;d all better check our HDDs for little titties then? That&#8217;s exactly the kind of straw-grasping nonsense American prosecutors come up with when they know they don&#8217;t have a strong case &#8211; paint him as a sexual deviant of any kind (he buys porno!) and it&#8217;s only a small step to paedophilia. Child-sized mannequins I don&#8217;t know about, but there&#8217;s certainly enough room in the case for reasonable doubt, and that&#8217;s why he wasn&#8217;t convicted and why nobody&#8217;s dwelling on it now.</p>
<p>Anyway, I think the point Matthew was making underneath this all &#8211; about celebrities generally getting away with more than regular people by dint of their fame &#8211; is a good one. (R. Kelly is really the one we should all be up in arms about &#8211; he was acquitted of pissing on a 12 year old girl despite the&#8230; video of him clearly pissing on a 12 year old girl! I&#8217;m happy to accept that as relevant evidence.) Also, it seems to me we often expect less of famous people, in that the slightest kindness shown by them is often blown out of proportion. One of the family&#8217;s lawyers was eulogising last week about how kind the Jackson family was and used as his prime example &#8211; when he went to visit them, and there wasn&#8217;t a chair for him, so Janet went into another room to get him a chair! Yeah, totally normal thing for a host to do, but he seemed to think it was the sign of an extraordinarily kind heart or something. Clearly Jacko wasn&#8217;t the saint he&#8217;s been painted as by some, but those people are crazy. And, because every-other-person in the world was a Michael Jackson fan, obviously he&#8217;s going to have a lot of crazy fans too. And a few witty, intelligent, good-looking, opinionated-but-fair fans too eh Matthew?</p>
<p>MUSICALLY &#8211; the best album any Jackson ever released is obviously Control. And yes, Prince outstripped MJ in practically every way, but I think you can say MJ was one of the most influential pop stars ever even though it wasn&#8217;t particularly because of musical innovation or whatever (like you&#8217;d say about Prince). In the same way as Oasis were by far the most influential British band of the 90s, because they were SO popular, MJ&#8217;s been influential simply because everyone on the planet knows who he is and can sing one of his songs. It doesn&#8217;t matter what you do, that kind of fame is influential. It&#8217;s just a different kind of &#8220;influence&#8221; than most of us music geeks are used to talking about (how many people can sing a Pavement song, cmon now). But, songs like Thriller and Beat It and Billy Jean and Bad and Man In The Mirror and Smooth Criminal and Don&#8217;t Stop Til You Get Enough and Rock With U&#8230; aren&#8217;t songs like this why we like pop music? Isn&#8217;t their ineffable genius the same as The Beach Boys&#8217; and Blondie&#8217;s and The Smiths&#8217; and Kate Bush&#8217;s and and WHOEVER wrote the bloody song!? Yes, yes it is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said too much.</p>
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		<title>By: ben etc</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben etc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you so much for putting into words one of the strands that makes up my white-heat headache regarding Michael Jackson - a headache i&#039;ve battled for years and might leave me frothing at the mouth since little of what I manage to say on the topic tends to be taken seriously as if i am the boy who cried wolf -  or trying to point out that the emperor&#039;s new clothes are in fact his birthday suit but this time no-one believes me. I began to worry I was alone.  thanks again for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you so much for putting into words one of the strands that makes up my white-heat headache regarding Michael Jackson &#8211; a headache i&#8217;ve battled for years and might leave me frothing at the mouth since little of what I manage to say on the topic tends to be taken seriously as if i am the boy who cried wolf &#8211;  or trying to point out that the emperor&#8217;s new clothes are in fact his birthday suit but this time no-one believes me. I began to worry I was alone.  thanks again for this.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Favourite comment so far from the many grauniad threads - &quot;He&#039;s not the messiah, he&#039;s a very naughty boy&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Favourite comment so far from the many grauniad threads &#8211; &#8220;He&#8217;s not the messiah, he&#8217;s a very naughty boy&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many musicians have done things which I find utterly distasteful. I wish Siouxsie Sioux hadn&#039;t worn a swastika, though I am repapred to concede that if she did think like a Nazi, the band later played benefit gigs for the Italian Communist party. I wish that Bill Wyman had not slept with an underage girl (Mandy Smith), that Elvis Costello hadn&#039;t made that stupid remark about Ray Charles (though Ray Carles forgave him), that that many hip-hop artists and reggae artists (amongst many genres, to be fair) would not make homophobic remarks, that pete Townshend hadn&#039;t been so bloody stupid where he was looking on the internet...where do we draw the line? Paedeophilia as a concept makes me and most, if not all people on here bloody uncomfortable.

I respect Jackson for the music he produced, even if he had faded from greatness. I think as a person he&#039;d suffered a horrendous life, and yet behaved in a way that was suspect as best, unforgiveable at worst. I&#039;m trying to separate the two in my mind.

As for the &#039;tribute&#039; which makes Priness Diana&#039;s funeral seem quiet, the less said the better, probably.

Regarding Prince...a genius for his first decade of recording, patchy subsequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many musicians have done things which I find utterly distasteful. I wish Siouxsie Sioux hadn&#8217;t worn a swastika, though I am repapred to concede that if she did think like a Nazi, the band later played benefit gigs for the Italian Communist party. I wish that Bill Wyman had not slept with an underage girl (Mandy Smith), that Elvis Costello hadn&#8217;t made that stupid remark about Ray Charles (though Ray Carles forgave him), that that many hip-hop artists and reggae artists (amongst many genres, to be fair) would not make homophobic remarks, that pete Townshend hadn&#8217;t been so bloody stupid where he was looking on the internet&#8230;where do we draw the line? Paedeophilia as a concept makes me and most, if not all people on here bloody uncomfortable.</p>
<p>I respect Jackson for the music he produced, even if he had faded from greatness. I think as a person he&#8217;d suffered a horrendous life, and yet behaved in a way that was suspect as best, unforgiveable at worst. I&#8217;m trying to separate the two in my mind.</p>
<p>As for the &#8216;tribute&#8217; which makes Priness Diana&#8217;s funeral seem quiet, the less said the better, probably.</p>
<p>Regarding Prince&#8230;a genius for his first decade of recording, patchy subsequently.</p>
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