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	<description>Independent and alternative music in Scotland - with a shitload of gin.</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/09/some-bits-of-news/#comment-28611</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/09/some-bits-of-news/#comment-28607</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aye to what C&amp;B said about MPH.  The man is definitely the bee&#039;s knees, the dog&#039;s bollocks and the horse&#039;s knob as far as I&#039;m concerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aye to what C&amp;B said about MPH.  The man is definitely the bee&#8217;s knees, the dog&#8217;s bollocks and the horse&#8217;s knob as far as I&#8217;m concerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/09/some-bits-of-news/#comment-28584</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you ben.

ive heard a few tracks from the new yo la tengo. not bad. good enough for me to listen to a few more. for awhile there i was convinced yo la tengo was making music specificall y to be palyed in the car while taking your kids to school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you ben.</p>
<p>ive heard a few tracks from the new yo la tengo. not bad. good enough for me to listen to a few more. for awhile there i was convinced yo la tengo was making music specificall y to be palyed in the car while taking your kids to school.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/09/some-bits-of-news/#comment-28572</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris

You don&#039;t sound like someone who would equate intelligent with evil.  Nor someone who resents education and believes it corrupts.  Hence the line about &#039;not finding a CSPAN devotee I didn&#039;t like&#039;.  

I&#039;m certainly going to make more time for CSPAN though.  Although my American friends tell me the that the Houses of Parliament are much more amusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t sound like someone who would equate intelligent with evil.  Nor someone who resents education and believes it corrupts.  Hence the line about &#8216;not finding a CSPAN devotee I didn&#8217;t like&#8217;.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly going to make more time for CSPAN though.  Although my American friends tell me the that the Houses of Parliament are much more amusing.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/09/some-bits-of-news/#comment-28571</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Tart, from what little I&#039;ve seen that was pretty much what I guessed it worked like.

Prime Minister&#039;s Questions though?  Mostly just two packs of adolescents braying insults at one another, from what I&#039;ve seen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Tart, from what little I&#8217;ve seen that was pretty much what I guessed it worked like.</p>
<p>Prime Minister&#8217;s Questions though?  Mostly just two packs of adolescents braying insults at one another, from what I&#8217;ve seen.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/09/some-bits-of-news/#comment-28569</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well said tart!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said tart!</p>
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		<title>By: Tart</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/09/some-bits-of-news/#comment-28568</link>
		<dc:creator>Tart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 18:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll say this about C-Span and then stick my toe/nose out of this whole thing as it&#039;s got way too much to do with my real life job/vocation/ickiness thing. 

C-Span is quite often simply the turning on of a camera inside the House of Representatives or Senate floor. Often it consists of recording the presentations of conferences and information panels to government officials and panels. The mornings are given to call in shows where a host will take, in turn, questions and comments from lines devoted to red for conservatives, blue for liberals and some other such line for undecideds on a particular issue or question from which a guest has given a short talk right there in the studio with said host. 

C-Span has hours and hours of panel discussions on the latest non-fiction books and it&#039;s Book-TV channel is a wealth of information on US history and the state of literature in the US. It covers (mostly without commentary) all State funerals, most Presidential and Vice-Presidential press conferences, and also gives Americans a view (again without commentary, just cameras running) into the British House of Commons - Prime Minister&#039;s Questions.  

The whole idea of C-Span was to give people an unbiased view into the workings of their own government. Yes, unbiased, in the true sense of the word. That&#039;s why there is as little commentary as possible in as much as possible, aside from the talk shows in the morning. The point is to put cameras into meetings and floor debates and briefings and just let them run. When commentary is allowed there is a true effort to give all sides a chance at equal time to have their say. I&#039;ve never seen anything like this on television anywhere else. Let me know if you&#039;ve got this where you are. It is all privately funded as far as I know. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say this about C-Span and then stick my toe/nose out of this whole thing as it&#8217;s got way too much to do with my real life job/vocation/ickiness thing. </p>
<p>C-Span is quite often simply the turning on of a camera inside the House of Representatives or Senate floor. Often it consists of recording the presentations of conferences and information panels to government officials and panels. The mornings are given to call in shows where a host will take, in turn, questions and comments from lines devoted to red for conservatives, blue for liberals and some other such line for undecideds on a particular issue or question from which a guest has given a short talk right there in the studio with said host. </p>
<p>C-Span has hours and hours of panel discussions on the latest non-fiction books and it&#8217;s Book-TV channel is a wealth of information on US history and the state of literature in the US. It covers (mostly without commentary) all State funerals, most Presidential and Vice-Presidential press conferences, and also gives Americans a view (again without commentary, just cameras running) into the British House of Commons &#8211; Prime Minister&#8217;s Questions.  </p>
<p>The whole idea of C-Span was to give people an unbiased view into the workings of their own government. Yes, unbiased, in the true sense of the word. That&#8217;s why there is as little commentary as possible in as much as possible, aside from the talk shows in the morning. The point is to put cameras into meetings and floor debates and briefings and just let them run. When commentary is allowed there is a true effort to give all sides a chance at equal time to have their say. I&#8217;ve never seen anything like this on television anywhere else. Let me know if you&#8217;ve got this where you are. It is all privately funded as far as I know. </p>
<p>/civicslesson</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/09/some-bits-of-news/#comment-28566</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh yeah, you can watch cspan on line - my favorite is washington journal. but i must warn you, it&#039;s only slightly more exciting than watching the grass grow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yeah, you can watch cspan on line &#8211; my favorite is washington journal. but i must warn you, it&#8217;s only slightly more exciting than watching the grass grow.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/09/some-bits-of-news/#comment-28565</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mathew - cspan is not owned by the cable companies - they just fund it and have no say whatsoever in its content. unbiased in cspan&#039;s case means a horribly bland objective (yes objective is a &#039;problematic&#039; word) presentation of issues. when they have guests from opposite positions they must prep them by first stating there will be no rasing of voices whatsoever because it is usually a bland moderator allowing each person to state their position while people call in to comment or ask questions. so usually you get one side then the other - sometimes in the same segment sometimes from different segments. and the guests range from right/left wing-nuts to moderates. not that they don&#039;t get accused of being biased but usually its someone who doesnt watch that often - its funny when they have a righty guest they usually get a couple calls accusing them of being biased towards the right and same thing happens vice-versa when they have a lefty on. 

ben - hopefully you dont lump me into those types that usually use left-east coast-intellectuals in that way (i dont think you did) - i do borrow that phrase from those types but don&#039;t think i have the venom...they just irk me at times because i am a product of public schools and state colleges (as you might be able to tell by my grammar and spelling) which tend to be seen as something less by those uppity east coast liberal types. 
and the fact that you dislike this american life makes me think we have similar attitudes. - i don&#039;t think npr should be banned or their stations burned...but i do have trouble with the tone and content at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mathew &#8211; cspan is not owned by the cable companies &#8211; they just fund it and have no say whatsoever in its content. unbiased in cspan&#8217;s case means a horribly bland objective (yes objective is a &#8216;problematic&#8217; word) presentation of issues. when they have guests from opposite positions they must prep them by first stating there will be no rasing of voices whatsoever because it is usually a bland moderator allowing each person to state their position while people call in to comment or ask questions. so usually you get one side then the other &#8211; sometimes in the same segment sometimes from different segments. and the guests range from right/left wing-nuts to moderates. not that they don&#8217;t get accused of being biased but usually its someone who doesnt watch that often &#8211; its funny when they have a righty guest they usually get a couple calls accusing them of being biased towards the right and same thing happens vice-versa when they have a lefty on. </p>
<p>ben &#8211; hopefully you dont lump me into those types that usually use left-east coast-intellectuals in that way (i dont think you did) &#8211; i do borrow that phrase from those types but don&#8217;t think i have the venom&#8230;they just irk me at times because i am a product of public schools and state colleges (as you might be able to tell by my grammar and spelling) which tend to be seen as something less by those uppity east coast liberal types.<br />
and the fact that you dislike this american life makes me think we have similar attitudes. &#8211; i don&#8217;t think npr should be banned or their stations burned&#8230;but i do have trouble with the tone and content at times.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/09/some-bits-of-news/#comment-28563</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a larger argument about the issue of &#039;lack of bias&#039;, which is at best an illusion, and at worst horrifying.  

In everything there is bias.  Like Chris says, as soon as you choose how much time to spend on each story you are showing bias.  I used the word unbiased foolishly because I actually think it is a misappropriated concept.

I will say that I find NPR news fair, I don&#039;t watch the television in the morning so I don&#039;t know anything about CSPAN.  The use of phrases like &quot;east coast liberal institutions&quot; borrows language from a rather troubling group of people but as I&#039;ve never met a CSPAN devotee I didn&#039;t like I will assume it was not meant as it usually is by pundits, and simply agree with Chris that &quot;This American Life&quot; is the most pretentious, self-indulgent wank, even if I tend to like a lot of the other programing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a larger argument about the issue of &#8216;lack of bias&#8217;, which is at best an illusion, and at worst horrifying.  </p>
<p>In everything there is bias.  Like Chris says, as soon as you choose how much time to spend on each story you are showing bias.  I used the word unbiased foolishly because I actually think it is a misappropriated concept.</p>
<p>I will say that I find NPR news fair, I don&#8217;t watch the television in the morning so I don&#8217;t know anything about CSPAN.  The use of phrases like &#8220;east coast liberal institutions&#8221; borrows language from a rather troubling group of people but as I&#8217;ve never met a CSPAN devotee I didn&#8217;t like I will assume it was not meant as it usually is by pundits, and simply agree with Chris that &#8220;This American Life&#8221; is the most pretentious, self-indulgent wank, even if I tend to like a lot of the other programing.</p>
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