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		<title>By: Rampant Chutney Consumerism</title>
		<link>http://songbytoad.com/2009/10/time-to-get-the-bnp-out-of-the-closet/#comment-32947</link>
		<dc:creator>Rampant Chutney Consumerism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 09:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually i thought he pretty much did make a fool of himself.......

Cock off with your question about integrity!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually i thought he pretty much did make a fool of himself&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Cock off with your question about integrity!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know how much free speech comes into it, although those waters are somewhat muddied by it being a BBC programme, and that being government funded.  They can invite and not invite whomever they choose, surely.

I think Dylan makes a good point, in that this is a current affairs talk show, not a grilling on political policy exactly (although it can be quite close sometimes) so there&#039;s no particular need to invite some cunts on just because they are popular with wankers.  Were it purely a forum for politcal debate I would say the issue would be more compelling.

I also think that getting them and their opinions out in the open serves another interesting service, and one which I hinted at when I mentioned Austria in the post.  They are basically racist pricks, and that&#039;s not too far from the surface in pretty much all of their philosophy.  So making that explicit and publically known and seeing the amount of support they can garner will give us a very interesting and potentially quite important measure of just how racist and bigoted we are as a nation.

Basically, the Daily Mail and the right wing of the Tory party are pretty much BNP already in all but name, so add them to UKIP and actual BNP fans and we will see just how much of a problem this actually is.  And hopefully that way, unlike Austria, we will have the chance to do something about before the cunts actually grab much more power than they already have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know how much free speech comes into it, although those waters are somewhat muddied by it being a BBC programme, and that being government funded.  They can invite and not invite whomever they choose, surely.</p>
<p>I think Dylan makes a good point, in that this is a current affairs talk show, not a grilling on political policy exactly (although it can be quite close sometimes) so there&#8217;s no particular need to invite some cunts on just because they are popular with wankers.  Were it purely a forum for politcal debate I would say the issue would be more compelling.</p>
<p>I also think that getting them and their opinions out in the open serves another interesting service, and one which I hinted at when I mentioned Austria in the post.  They are basically racist pricks, and that&#8217;s not too far from the surface in pretty much all of their philosophy.  So making that explicit and publically known and seeing the amount of support they can garner will give us a very interesting and potentially quite important measure of just how racist and bigoted we are as a nation.</p>
<p>Basically, the Daily Mail and the right wing of the Tory party are pretty much BNP already in all but name, so add them to UKIP and actual BNP fans and we will see just how much of a problem this actually is.  And hopefully that way, unlike Austria, we will have the chance to do something about before the cunts actually grab much more power than they already have.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because there&#039;s this little thing called free speech

&quot;They&#039;re&quot; not going to make fools of themselvs, no. 

There&#039;s a chance that Nick Griffin will say some pretty fucking flawed, ludicrous Zionist remarks, however. Judging by your remarks you don&#039;t want to hear. Which is fair enough. But grow-up a bit and let him make an arse of himself and lose support. 

Perhaps you don&#039;t have the integrity to listen to something you don&#039;t agree with? 

(Que abuse towards me)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because there&#8217;s this little thing called free speech</p>
<p>&#8220;They&#8217;re&#8221; not going to make fools of themselvs, no. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a chance that Nick Griffin will say some pretty fucking flawed, ludicrous Zionist remarks, however. Judging by your remarks you don&#8217;t want to hear. Which is fair enough. But grow-up a bit and let him make an arse of himself and lose support. </p>
<p>Perhaps you don&#8217;t have the integrity to listen to something you don&#8217;t agree with? </p>
<p>(Que abuse towards me)</p>
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		<title>By: Rampant Chutney Consumerism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rampant Chutney Consumerism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;ve changed my mind, with regards this, over the past few weeks.

At first i was, oh it&#039;ll be ok, let them make fools of themselves......

But now, i&#039;m more along the lines of &#039;Fuck em then hang them by their racist fucking genitals&#039; 

Why should we grant the platform that they would so quickly take away from all minorities if they got anywhere near power. Yes i&#039;m being quite ill-liberal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve changed my mind, with regards this, over the past few weeks.</p>
<p>At first i was, oh it&#8217;ll be ok, let them make fools of themselves&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>But now, i&#8217;m more along the lines of &#8216;Fuck em then hang them by their racist fucking genitals&#8217; </p>
<p>Why should we grant the platform that they would so quickly take away from all minorities if they got anywhere near power. Yes i&#8217;m being quite ill-liberal.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane Abbott raised an interesting point on the BBC TV news this morning, basically reminding us that Question Time is a current affairs panel show, and it won&#039;t simply be an interview with Nick Griffin and an opportunity to challenge him on the BNP and its manifesto.

Traditionally, each member of the Question Time panel is invited to discuss every subject raised, and while there will inevitably be some questions regarding the BNP, you can also expect questions about MPs expenses, the Royal Mail strike, the recession and so on; and allowing Griffin to comment upon and discuss such matters that lie outside the BNP&#039;s recognised remit &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; go some way to legitimising him and his party in the eyes of the public.

I mean, traditionally, Question Time has often included discussion on whimsical stories from the lighter side of the news, too; and I&#039;m starting to wonder whether it actually &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; appropriate to see Nick Griffin exchanging witty banter with David Dimbleby about &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8318276.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mercedes the polar bear&lt;/a&gt; or some such nonsense.

Abbott closed her interview this morning by saying that people she meets often remind her of her own first appearance on Question Time, twenty-odd years ago. They remember her being on the show, telling her it was great to see a young, black, female politician appearing on the BBC, and that finally the demographics she represented were being taking seriously in British politics.

She went on to say how worried she was about Griffin and the politics he represents being offered a similar opportunity as she had. In future, people may not recall precisely what Griffin discussed on Question Time, but simply that he was taken a little more seroiusly as a politician afterwards..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane Abbott raised an interesting point on the BBC TV news this morning, basically reminding us that Question Time is a current affairs panel show, and it won&#8217;t simply be an interview with Nick Griffin and an opportunity to challenge him on the BNP and its manifesto.</p>
<p>Traditionally, each member of the Question Time panel is invited to discuss every subject raised, and while there will inevitably be some questions regarding the BNP, you can also expect questions about MPs expenses, the Royal Mail strike, the recession and so on; and allowing Griffin to comment upon and discuss such matters that lie outside the BNP&#8217;s recognised remit <i>does</i> go some way to legitimising him and his party in the eyes of the public.</p>
<p>I mean, traditionally, Question Time has often included discussion on whimsical stories from the lighter side of the news, too; and I&#8217;m starting to wonder whether it actually <i>is</i> appropriate to see Nick Griffin exchanging witty banter with David Dimbleby about <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8318276.stm" rel="nofollow">Mercedes the polar bear</a> or some such nonsense.</p>
<p>Abbott closed her interview this morning by saying that people she meets often remind her of her own first appearance on Question Time, twenty-odd years ago. They remember her being on the show, telling her it was great to see a young, black, female politician appearing on the BBC, and that finally the demographics she represented were being taking seriously in British politics.</p>
<p>She went on to say how worried she was about Griffin and the politics he represents being offered a similar opportunity as she had. In future, people may not recall precisely what Griffin discussed on Question Time, but simply that he was taken a little more seroiusly as a politician afterwards..</p>
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		<title>By: Smileyjonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smileyjonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am on the &quot;let em say it&quot; side.  And not just so we can wow them with our superior execution of common sense and cutting remarks and maybe learn a thing or two about ourselves, but because a bunch of strange people do honestly hold these beliefs, and those beliefs should be represented.  If they convince more people of their views, then sorry, but that&#039;s democracy.  I don&#039;t the BNP&#039;s &#039;success&#039; has anything much to do with their successful campaigning anyway, but changing views and moods of the voting public.  Labour gets on TV a lot more frequently than the Tories, but they&#039;re still going to get thrashed.

I have a much bigger problem with the BNP receiving front page coverage every few minutes, which seems completely disproportionate to their level of support, than their appearance on question time, which seems entirely proportionate.  I&#039;d love it if their press coverage was equivalent to that given to the green party or the socialists or whoever, partly because it would be a massive fucking drop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am on the &#8220;let em say it&#8221; side.  And not just so we can wow them with our superior execution of common sense and cutting remarks and maybe learn a thing or two about ourselves, but because a bunch of strange people do honestly hold these beliefs, and those beliefs should be represented.  If they convince more people of their views, then sorry, but that&#8217;s democracy.  I don&#8217;t the BNP&#8217;s &#8216;success&#8217; has anything much to do with their successful campaigning anyway, but changing views and moods of the voting public.  Labour gets on TV a lot more frequently than the Tories, but they&#8217;re still going to get thrashed.</p>
<p>I have a much bigger problem with the BNP receiving front page coverage every few minutes, which seems completely disproportionate to their level of support, than their appearance on question time, which seems entirely proportionate.  I&#8217;d love it if their press coverage was equivalent to that given to the green party or the socialists or whoever, partly because it would be a massive fucking drop.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Daniel, I agree.  As Paxman pointed out, if Will Young gets on there, what is the standard supposed to be?

The other thing muddying the waters somewhat is that Question Time is on the BBC and therefore pretty much a state product.  People ignoring particular perspectives in their own private enterprise is one thing, but the government actively suppressing views because they don&#039;t like them is another.  We weren&#039;t happy when the boot was on the other foot during the Iraq war, nor when the ads for aid for Gaza was pulled because the government didn&#039;t want to upset Israel by letting anyone point out that they are an oppressive and murderous regime.

So now it&#039;s the suppression of someone else&#039;s speech, however unpleasant, under discussion I don&#039;t think we can suddenly turn 180 degrees on whether or not the government should be preventing certain voices being heard.

As you say, and as I did in the main post, they have &lt;i&gt;already&lt;/i&gt; been legitimised by the size of the vote they have won, so that particular cat is already out of the bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Daniel, I agree.  As Paxman pointed out, if Will Young gets on there, what is the standard supposed to be?</p>
<p>The other thing muddying the waters somewhat is that Question Time is on the BBC and therefore pretty much a state product.  People ignoring particular perspectives in their own private enterprise is one thing, but the government actively suppressing views because they don&#8217;t like them is another.  We weren&#8217;t happy when the boot was on the other foot during the Iraq war, nor when the ads for aid for Gaza was pulled because the government didn&#8217;t want to upset Israel by letting anyone point out that they are an oppressive and murderous regime.</p>
<p>So now it&#8217;s the suppression of someone else&#8217;s speech, however unpleasant, under discussion I don&#8217;t think we can suddenly turn 180 degrees on whether or not the government should be preventing certain voices being heard.</p>
<p>As you say, and as I did in the main post, they have <i>already</i> been legitimised by the size of the vote they have won, so that particular cat is already out of the bag.</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amongst the things it would be good for somebody to point out on QT would be that the Conservative party are in alliance in the European parliament with people who hold views every bit as odious as the BNP if not more so - it would be interesting to actually hear that alliance being justified as I&#039;ve noticed a lot of criticism of it but very little response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amongst the things it would be good for somebody to point out on QT would be that the Conservative party are in alliance in the European parliament with people who hold views every bit as odious as the BNP if not more so &#8211; it would be interesting to actually hear that alliance being justified as I&#8217;ve noticed a lot of criticism of it but very little response.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could look at this in two ways. Firstly, you have people like Peter Hain saying &quot;By putting giving the BNP air-time (har har, Adam) you&#039;re immediately giving him a leg to stand on, and their support is going to be sky-rocketed.&quot; And he&#039;s saying that the beeb are supporting the BNP by ALLOWING them to appear tomorrow. Giving them, as he put it &quot;their seal of approval&quot;. I doubt that the BBC support a corporation such as MacDonals, and yet they invited Steve Easterbrook onto the program in May. 
Conversely, you could take the approach that most of you louts are, that is, by &quot;letting the cunt appear we can see what a narrow-minded bigot he is. We can see that his policies are flawed. Let him try and debate them. He is a wanker, and smells mildly of blue cheese.&quot; Which is probably where I stand, too. 

Let him fight it out and get proved wrong, this isn&#039;t 1930&#039;s Bavaria. 

The BBC have hit back and claiming its going to be uncoloured (LOL) by allowing BNP supporters into tomorrow nights audience. Which is perfectly just, really. Whether you like it or not, BNP have support. It might even make better television, sparking debate, jeering or maybe even a punch-up. Griffin, or one of his flying monkeys, will undoubtedly rub one some stiff-collared old man up the wrong way and provide the best television since Big Brother One. 

Peter Hain has also said that they &quot;shouldn&#039;t be allowed on because they&#039;re  an illegal and illegitimate political party&quot;. While that may be true, you don&#039;t have to be a politician to appear on QT, I&#039;m sure. Just ask &quot;so-called&quot; politician Alex Salmond... 

Becky, check out www.zamzar.com It&#039;s an online-file-conversion-deely that allows you to convert your files online, somewhat unsurprisingly.. You have to do it one-by-one which gets quite monotonous, but hey, at least you avoid all that hot kiddy porn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could look at this in two ways. Firstly, you have people like Peter Hain saying &#8220;By putting giving the BNP air-time (har har, Adam) you&#8217;re immediately giving him a leg to stand on, and their support is going to be sky-rocketed.&#8221; And he&#8217;s saying that the beeb are supporting the BNP by ALLOWING them to appear tomorrow. Giving them, as he put it &#8220;their seal of approval&#8221;. I doubt that the BBC support a corporation such as MacDonals, and yet they invited Steve Easterbrook onto the program in May.<br />
Conversely, you could take the approach that most of you louts are, that is, by &#8220;letting the cunt appear we can see what a narrow-minded bigot he is. We can see that his policies are flawed. Let him try and debate them. He is a wanker, and smells mildly of blue cheese.&#8221; Which is probably where I stand, too. </p>
<p>Let him fight it out and get proved wrong, this isn&#8217;t 1930&#8242;s Bavaria. </p>
<p>The BBC have hit back and claiming its going to be uncoloured (LOL) by allowing BNP supporters into tomorrow nights audience. Which is perfectly just, really. Whether you like it or not, BNP have support. It might even make better television, sparking debate, jeering or maybe even a punch-up. Griffin, or one of his flying monkeys, will undoubtedly rub one some stiff-collared old man up the wrong way and provide the best television since Big Brother One. </p>
<p>Peter Hain has also said that they &#8220;shouldn&#8217;t be allowed on because they&#8217;re  an illegal and illegitimate political party&#8221;. While that may be true, you don&#8217;t have to be a politician to appear on QT, I&#8217;m sure. Just ask &#8220;so-called&#8221; politician Alex Salmond&#8230; </p>
<p>Becky, check out <a href="http://www.zamzar.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.zamzar.com</a> It&#8217;s an online-file-conversion-deely that allows you to convert your files online, somewhat unsurprisingly.. You have to do it one-by-one which gets quite monotonous, but hey, at least you avoid all that hot kiddy porn!</p>
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		<title>By: adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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