Friday Had a Nice Long Nap
I seem to have two modes of sleep it seems – well rested and relatively funtional. As I discovered over Christmas, I can happily sleep for about ten hours a night if possible, and I feel rested and chipper and happy. That was great. Oh how I miss those heady days – bed at one, pished, up by ooh, nearly noon just in time for lunch. That was special. I actually woke up in the morning of Monday 4th to come back to work and experienced a stunning sensation: I actually felt okay. It wasn’t even a wrench to actually wake up!
This morning I experienced something similar. It seems that I have a more commonplace sleep pattern as well – one which is not ideal, but with which I can live quite happily: six hours. When the blog and the label are going full pelt I tend to go to sleep either exhausted or pished – working until the very small hours or, alternatively, taking the opportunity to blow off some steam. This means a lot of three and four hour nights, which takes its toll on you, really it does. Then there are times when I make a point of going to bed early and getting seven or eight hours and you know what? It doesn’t help.
What does seem to do the trick is six hours. It’s not ideal, but I just seem to wake up feeling a bit shagged but basically alright – like this morning – and it seems to be a pretty consistent phenomenon. Apparently this is thought to be largely down to the natural sleep cycle of your body – we all have one and they are all slightly different. It seems that about six and a half hours kind of suits me, for some reason.
I don’t know much about this, but apparently there are theories that a lot of insomnia might be linked to the differences between the world’s twenty-four cycle and a person’s natural cycle, which may be twenty-two hours, or twenty-five and a half or whatever, and sometimes the two cycles interact incredibly disruptively, making it difficult for insomniacs to to find a sleep cycle which interacts positively with their body’s natural cycle. So it’s not a problem with sleeping, exactly, more a disruptive interaction of the two frequencies, which can be very interesting mathematics in itself. None of this, as is presumably evident, is anything I know much about, but I read about it once in a book and found it all very interesting. Feel free to tell me I’m talking shit in the comments of course, because it’s quite possible, but make sure and do your five first because that’s the rules.
So, erm, not quite sure how that leads into five silly questions to invite the lurkers out of the shadows, but here goes…
1. When do you get your best lie-ins?
2. Strangest place you’ve ever had a night’s sleep.
3. Most inappropriate sleeping you’ve ever managed.
4. Longest time you’ve managed without sleep.
5. Last interesting science stuff you read about. Nothing ‘sciencey’ like the Daily Mail and their ‘official saddest day of the year, as sponsored by shitey travel agents though please. I am tipping Becky to win this one.
The Boo Radleys – Martin, Doom! It’s Seven O’Clock
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Bonnie Prince Billy – Cursed Sleep
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Dan of Green Gables – Nothing Could Stop You From Sleeping Tonight
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1. Only ever Saturday, because of getting up at 8.30am on a Sunday – a Sunday!!! – to play football, so if anything interfered with my Saturday lie in I would become homicidal. This has been less of an issue since I hurt my back again.
2. On the couch in the restaurant I ran for my first year out of uni.
3. I dozed off mid-blowjob once. I don’t think she took it too well either, and I must emphasise that was long, long before Mrs. Toad.
4. I’ve managed about three days once during my uni days. I suspect I am not alone in this.
5. I like the maths of emergence – where a basic set of incredibly simple rules can lead to extremely complex results – sort of like ant colonies.
1. On the train. I almost never ever get to lie in at home but I can happily fall out of bed onto the train and back to sleep.
2. On the road next to a burning cottage in the middle of the new forest in the middle of the night during an orienteering exercise in which we got hopelessly lost between the start and checkpoint number one.
3. I fall asleep in class from time to time (and I’m the teacher) although I’ve never been caught. When I was a student our film lecturer put on extra screenings at his house on wednesday nights and I always slept through all of those.
4.For the high jinx we got up to on the last night at secondary school I ended up going about 51 hours without sleep. I had absolutely no idea what was going on about anything and managed to accidentally turn two people down without even realising I was being propositioned.
5. I read the bad science forum every day which is full of stuff. I try and read some of the things they link to but I struggle to keep up.
This is an irrelevant link (save only that it came from the bad science forum too) but it’s the best thing I’ve read for quite a little while…
So nearly first. The world turned upside-down…
1. Also Saturdays. The best bit is Saturday morning’s at Rob’s, because you can go out to the Farmer’s Market pretty much in your pyjamas and come back with tasty breakfast items.
2. Not very excitingly, Oslo Torp airport.
3. When I was at Leeds Festival the then love of my life (uh oh) said he’d tell me something hideously important in 12 seconds time. I fell asleep.
4. At the Jukola relay this year I woke up at 7am on Saturday, stayed awake till 2am Sunday where I ran the longest and toughest Men’s course for about 100 minutes, then couldn’t sleep there, or in the car on the way back, or the plane, or the bus into London. We finally crashed out there at 4am on Monday morning.
5. The best science thing I have ever read was a poster at a conference talking about getting worms drunk in petri dishes, then racing them towards a bit of worm food. Surprisingly enough, intoxicated worms don’t get as far as sober ones. But then, if you put previously intoxicated worms and totally sober worms into a dish with a bit of booze in the next day, the previously intoxicated worms are racing legends. They called that the hair of the dog experiment. I think they’re planning to look at how changes in alcoholism susceptibility genes affect performance in this test. to attempt to relate genes to behaviour, but I struggled to get that far as I was too busy giggling.
Oh that counts. Bad Science is great, but I prefer David Colquhoun’s Improbable Science.
Sleep science is also pretty awesome though. Another presentation at this conference also talked about how people are genetically predisposed to be early or late risers, and that early risers suffer from a decline in cognitive performance as the day goes on, but late risers can maintain consistent performance throughout the day. They linked this to two seperate hormones oscillating, and then to whether they were in sync or not. It was really fascinating, I wish I could remember more about it.
1. When I’m too hungover to surface.
2. My friend’s bath.
3. Dunno. I’m pretty sure I dozed off at the table during christmas dinner with my girlfriend’s parents. I did not get away with it.
4. Five days. Me and a friend were trying to see who could stay up the longest. There was prolonged insanity and some minor hallucinating, but I won.
5. The dutch have no concept of rust.
That stuff I was talking about is here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19716732
But it’s not massively comprehensible unless you know a bit about genetics and a bit about sleep science. It is fun though.
1. Saturdays
2. in a room where 2 people, who were on speed, went at it all night!!!
3. i have fallen asleep during sex with an ex
4. around 2 days, in December when coming back from Melbourne.
5. You can’t send red through time. Only yellow
Told you Becky would knock this one out of the park.
1. I don’t get lie ins anymore ever. the latest i am ever up these days in 9am and that is a rarity.
2. Amsterdam Central Station.
3. I really don’t think I have ever fallen asleep at an inappropriate time. When I am awake I am most definitely awake.
4. Probably when Roddy was born. So from Saturday at about 9am until Monday at 10am – 2 days.
5. I don’t really follow science much. But I do like Frankie Boyle’s comment that scientists are too busy trying to see how many fruit pastels it would take to choke a perigrine falcoln to actually make valuable scientific discoveries. Case and point….drunk worms.
1. Nice hotels. Doesn’t happen often.
2. Did you put this one in deliberately with me in mind? You’re expecting me to talk about the Homegame debacle last year when I lost my bed in the cottage and slept on the beach, aren’t you? Git. Well I’m not going to say that. I’m going to say the Formule 1 – ahem – ‘hotel’ in Peterborough. There’s a reason why I’m still haunted by nightmares of my time working in that awful town. The dividing walls between the rooms were plastic. Like – Tupperware-type plastic. It was like sleeping in a fucking lunch box with a bunk bed in.
3. I’m still quite impressed with the night on the vaulting box the living room chéz Toad.
4. A bunch of went a good few days without sleeping properly one beustifully hot, sunny June week in Cardiff. We were all working in the same enormo-pub in the centre of the city, and we finished work on the Tuesday night, went back to someone’s place with a few cases of beer, and we were still on it when we went in on the Friday afternoon to ask for the night shift off. (The duty manager agreed and came out on the piss with us.) I’m not saying there definitely wasn’t the odd sly half-hour doze in an armchair somewhere over the period, but there certainly wasn’t a proper night in bed.
5. Probably just that thing in the Metro this week about mobile phones powered by Coca-Cola.
I think they’re planning to look at how changes in alcoholism susceptibility genes affect performance
Or they might just be racing pissed worms for a laugh.
1. When do you get your best lie-ins?
In the past when I was a pubescent teenage loser. Now I am just a loser.
2. Strangest place you’ve ever had a night’s sleep.
Just the usual….floors in random places. It is still stranger than my own bed though.
3. Most inappropriate sleeping you’ve ever managed.
Don’t understand.
4. Longest time you’ve managed without sleep.
About 28 waking hours I think. Maybe a little more.
5. Last interesting science stuff you read about.
The guy working with Toyota on making full colour night vision. It arose from his observations on the differences in the optical systems of dung beetles. No longer will I have to put up with seeing Toad sleep soundly in his bed in that horrendous and unarousing green and black.
Why isn’t my post appearing? Stoopid interweb.
1. When do you get your best lie-ins?
In the past when I was a pubescent teenage loser. Now I am just a loser.
2. Strangest place you’ve ever had a night’s sleep.
Just the usual….floors in random places. It is still stranger than my own bed though.
3. Most inappropriate sleeping you’ve ever managed.
Don’t understand. What do you mean!?
4. Longest time you’ve managed without sleep.
About 28 waking hours I think. Maybe a little more.
5. Last interesting science stuff you read about.
The guy working with Toyota on making full colour night vision. It arose from his observations on the differences in the optical systems of dung beetles. No longer will I have to put up with seeing Toad sleep soundly in his bed in that horrendous and unarousing green and black.
And again….its not working….
Well – who cares about question 1-4? Not me.
Question 5 –
The guy working with Toyota to make full colour night vision. It arose from his studies in the differences between the optical systems within one species of dung beetle. At long last I won’t have to put up with watching Toad sleep soundly in his bed with that terrible green and black.
1. I lie in quite regularly due to day job flexi time scheme. Bliss. I’m definately a late riser.
2. I once fell asleep on a couch in the living room at a house party in Toronto after quite a strong herbal refreshment before any of the guests arrived. I stayed sleeping the whole night and woke up with my eyebrows intact. Miracle!
3. A couple I know once burst into my room in a shared flat and proceeded to have a blazing row in the dark without realising I was in bed. I just kept quiet and managed to doze off again.
4. 3 days. Jet lag and alcohol on above Canada trip.
5. I recently read a book called This is Your Brain on Music which I thought was really good. Reading about how my brain interprets the movements in the air freaked me out a bit – in a good way.
P.S Becky – thanks for info about consistent performance of late risers. That’s my new favourite justification of lateness.
Just had a Father Jack moment reading that article Becky linked to.
My inner monologue voice would cry out jubilantly each time I read a word I recognised.
“Clock!”
“Sleep!”
“REM!”
1. When do you get your best lie-ins?
Sunday mornings historically but I have developed a nervous, excitable disposition (something to do with time running out I think) which means that I rarely sleep past 0730hrs without waking up.
2. Strangest place you’ve ever had a night’s sleep.
Under the door mat outside my ex girlfriend’s flat. The door mat was supposed to be keeping me warm. It wasn’t a very good night’s sleep.
3. Most inappropriate sleeping you’ve ever managed.
I sleep through quite a few seminars at work – one time though my head slipped off my hand, which was holding my head up, and I smacked the underside of my chin off something (I think it was the table I was sitting at) and chipped my tooth as my lolling lower jaw snapped shut against the upper one. The pain prevented me from feeling too much embarrassment – I left the room to seek medical attention and survey the damage.
4. Longest time you’ve managed without sleep.
Only about 48 hours during a football tour in Paris, I almost died several times by falling asleep at the wheel driving myself home from Prestwick. That’s probably a better answer to number 3 actually.
5. Last interesting science stuff you read about.
I don’t think I’ve read anything sciencey recently, not that i can recall, sorry. Actually I did have to read about nuclear isotopes recently but it wasn’t particularly interesting.
1. I have that disruption – I always oversleep or undersleep. Nothing is ever timed correctly in my life. Sleeping into class time is always restful.
2. Under my bed.
3. Geography exam… still got a B!
4. 56 hours is my record.
5. What’s “science”?
1. Yeah, the ol’ Sundays have it, can’t beat ‘em. Every day kinda feels like a lie in when you go to bed at 3 and get up at 10!
2. I’m fairly sure I have slept standing up on a bus in India.
3. At a desk of a lunchtime..
4. I think it was a paltry 40 hours or so. Sleep’s too good to not do.
5. Have been reading up on just what the hell is going on with the moon. Nothing is as one would think with that lad. The dark side of the moon for one thing is nothing of the sort, being in full sunlight whenever there’s a new moon. I love that kind of shit.
To answer 5, today I read an interesting sciencey blog post on whether blind people hallucinate on LSD.
Turns out, people born blind don’t, but people that went blind after birth do.
So there.
http://blogs.sundaymercury.net/weirdscience/2010/01/do-the-blind-hallucinate-on-ls.html
1. Only when I am supposed to be at work, or doing something important. “The secret ingredient is crime”
2. I’ve slept on a bench by a burn. I loved that duffel coat.
3. I quite often try to have a nap and end up missing something fun.
4. Probbaly no more than 48 hrs. I like sleeping.
5. My dealings with ‘proper science’ are limited, but economics counts, right? This fellow is usually quite interesting: http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com/
If I’m not allowed that it will have to be something off ‘Qi’ which you have all heard already anyway.
QI’s brilliant.
I’ve learned more off that show than I ever did in school.
1. I’m a jobless bum, until I find employment my World is nothing but long lies.
2. Up a tree, extremely drunk. I woke up confused and amazed I hadn’t fallen out, then promptly panicked and fell out.
3. Similar to Matthew I once dozed off during oral, but I was giving it to her. She was decidedly unimpressed. In past jobs I’ve fallen asleep frequently.
4. About 2 and a half days. Can’t say how long exactly, it all got a bit hazy after 48 hours.
5. I’ve no idea, I’ve not read anything sciency in ages. I did watch Weird Science the other week though. It was crap.
1. I don’t lie in – i have some strange disorder that prevents it. even after a big night out where crawling to bed occurred at about 7, i am wake at 11 latest. It is really quite annoying.
2. Christmas works night out – under my desk.
3. I generally don’t. Except in cars – i kind of have to sleep in cars.
4. Travelled to Belfast one morning after no sleep and was still up at about 5 at a party that night/morning.
5. I can only think of really unintelligable things right now – like making popcorn with mobile phones. i am pretty sure that i am not that dumb so it must be to do with lunchtime pints!
WEIRD SCIENCE IS NOT CRAP!
i love weird science!
Weird Science really isn’t all that great.
Can you really make popcorn with a mobile phone?
1. Once a year I sleep for an entire day.
2. Not quite a night’s sleep, but a good few hours on top of a garage just off Queen Margaret Drive in Glasgow. Went up to look at the stars on a summer’s night, and fell asleep. Not too cold, but woke up dappled with dew.
3. In a nightclub in Galway. It was a Sunday night, so I didn’t feel too bad about it.
4. About 40 hours. Not quite Keith Richards territory. My problem is that I don’t take enough drugs.
5. I don’t find science all that interesting. Which is unfortunate, given my work.
1. Sunday morning while Himself watches the previous night’s Match Of The Day in another room
2. A really scary bed and breakfast in the Lake District with a cuckoo-clock obsession
3. I reckon on getting a good 40 minutes’ worth in seminars. Unfortunately I have a tendency to do that really embarrassing nodding donkey-type thing, so it’s always really obvious.
4. Probably only about 24 hours when I was a student. I liked my sleep even then. I’ve done a few 20-hours in recent years thanks to Ryanair’s ridiculously early flight times.
5. That fruit bats like a bit of oral:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2762080/
no one is saying weird science is great, but it is a fun movie of it’s time!
You know, there’s going to be sex, drugs, rock-n-roll… chips, dips, chains, whips… You know, your basic high school orgy type of thing. I mean, uh, I’m not talking candlewax on the nipples, or witchcraft or anything like that, no, no, no. Just a couple of hundred kids running around in their underwear, acting like complete animals.
love just love it!
Exactly. It’s not crap. It’s actually quite good.
Best part of it for me is -
Girls @ bathroom door: “What are you guys doing in there?”
Wyatt from behind the door: “Gary was just takin a shit!”.
SLAP. Brilliant.
Maybe I still have unresolved anger at not being able to make a woman with my old Spectrum.
I love this thread!
1-The first day of a holiday from work, I’ll sleep for a full day, wake up at like 5pm, feeling utterly abused, but brilliant!
2- On a bicycle, in a hedge, by a field. It was waking-at-5am-sore-arse-tastic.
3- Falling asleep during a lecture with my head on my hands, which subsequently slipped, and my head came crashing down onto a biro which shattered violently, awakening the notice of about 200 students? Or of course, what I was famous for, for a while… Touching my first boyfriend hilariously inappropriately whilst I was totally asleep; he awoke and thought all his Christmasses had come at once! Filth!
4- 25 Hours, its pathetic but I funkin love sleeping!
5-ummm…Scientists have not been able to explain why, but a 1998 study showing a bright light shone on the backs of human KNEES can reset the brain’s sleep-wake clock. will that do? I only remember it cos its bloody stupid. though if you shine a light through my webbed toes, the video recorder re-sets too..
just remembered. i used to work in glasgow and have to get the train there and back, one night i was reading a report (report on table, i was resting my head in my hands) i must have fallen alseep, no idea for how long, but when i awoke i had slobbered all over the report and had 3 strangers looking at me aghast!
How the fuck do you fall asleep on a bicycle in a hedge?
maybe that should read concussed on a bike in a hedge
1) any hotel bed mid afternoon when you know you are banking sleep for the night ahead
2) In a cannon mounting (post cannon) half way up a castle wall. I slept head inwards
3) Once did the nodding head sleep into some soup at a works late dinner meeting…it really was dull mind
4) Only ever about 20 hours probably at Glastonbury
5) I’ve got a degree in this ‘stuff’ and it really is all tosh. They are all busking like the rest of us. Even I can see climate change might be a real issue, but can they give us one incy wincy bit of proof. I’d make them all stand in the corner and think hard about ‘stuff’.
I’m going to go get a torch and see if i can sort out my long lie issues…
In a cannon…..brilliant.
Which reminds me. My mate went to sleep on a wheelie bin on its side. It earned him the then topical nick name….”Osama Bin-Laid-In”
I mean IN a wheelie bin. I just ruined that. Like I ruin most things.
Three post mentalism? See – Ive just ruined it even more.
Topical perhaps, but that’s torturing the pun just a little, eh?
Is it time to go to the pub yet?
Well Madcow has descended into Three-Post Mentalism, so I am guessing he either desperately needs a pint or desperately needs to stop, one or the other.
Madcow’s a loon, isn’t he?
i’ve never met Madcow (now someone is going to say i have, but i don’t recall meeting Madcow), but i reckon i would like him.
Weird Science
Whiteout
lovely!
1) Occasionally my wife will take the dogs to see her family for the weekend if she knows I am going to be busy at work. If she does my first day off is a delight of listening to the News while I sleep until 11.
2) Back of theatre, fly floor of theatre, bench in the audience of a theatre (fucking Edinburgh Festival), in fact there isn’t really a corner of the Pleasance that I didn’t take a nap in. Oh and, outside Kings Cross train station in the pissing rain. Pick one…
3) I have a fold up bed in the storage cupboard in my office. My boss told me to get rid of it. I told him him I needed a day off. He said “fair enough, keep the bed then”. America. It’s just fucking weird.
4) 72. It was the last three days of the Edinburgh festival. And I was working for 60 of them. That Festival thingy is an absolute bastard. Why are all my sleep deprivation stories centred around Edinburgh I wonder. I’ve been there for a sum total of 5 weeks in my whole life.
5) I’m actually reading a biography of the forumla E=MCsquared. Laugh all you like but it is really amazing how few people know what it means and why it’s important (I knew the first one). Oh, and I like this one: If Toad is recording a Toad session sitting at the back of his living room wearing his headphones, and a singer is singing, the people standing next to the singer will hear him after Toad has because, the signal travelling through the mic goes at the speed of light and the rest of the room receive it at the speed of sound.
Well. I find it interesting.
No, we just let Toad hear it first otherwise he gets upset.
I have an over-indulged blogger special privilege tantrum. We get those, you know.
Pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub pub.
Time.
I hate the time difference.
Imagine the scene, if you will.
Country girl.
Country party.
Deciding to cycle home from country party clearly off her country chops..
I rested, I think, in a leany way against the hedge, then it was a couple of hours later and my arse and everything else hurt, a lot.
What a count-try.
1, probably on saturdays but to be honest I dont sleep much beyond 8 am unless i’ve had a real late night.
2. I once slept in a lift in a car park in Birmingham with two other guys after a gig at which I got very pissed (it helped me sleep). Also slept in bus stops (Scarborough) and a field (Sheffield) and another car park (Durham) all after gigs !!
3. At a bus stop in the middle of London waiting for a nigth bus, which I also fell asleep on completely missing my stop.
4. 2 days in the middle of the week with a full days work stuffed in the middle (not something I could contemplate these days)
5. I leave the science to my better half ta
1. Probably at my mum’s house. I don’t like lie-ins much though. The short-term gain of mmmyummyduvetyumyum is offset by feeling completely spaced for the rest of the day, unable to do anything that I want/need to do before eventually going back to bed and having a relatively crappy night’s sleep.
2. One of the concrete shelters on Aberdeen “Fun” Beach at 4am one freezing January morning, wearing only jeans, t-shirt and shoes (no socks). And a warm tequila overcoat.
3. I spent an entire away day at a new job either asleep or nearly asleep after driving overnight from a gig in london to fife. I would occasionally think to myself.. “ooh, I think my eyes are closed…I should open them” and then forget.
4. Och, a good 50+hours on more than a few occasions. When I worked at the frozen pea packing plant (a dundee rite of passage) i’d have to switch between night and day shift on my three days off, and when that went wrong i’d be up for the whole time before starting work. So I must have been pushing 70 hours at least.
5. I tend to get more excited about methodology and statistics than conclusions. A fairly recent study I loved was a huge test of the set-point of Quality of Life theory, suggesting that negative (or positive) events only have a temporary impact on your quality of life before it swings back to where it was before (usually around 7 or 8 out of 10). So it is very difficult to improve or dent your quality of life in the medium to long term. I often find this quite comforting, and it has stopped me buying a bigger telly.
I love that description of that lie-in feeling “mmmyummyduvetyumyum”.
1. I never have lie-ins, I’m always up by 7 at the latest. I then suffer from cognitive decline.
2. In a barn? That’s not that strange. In a bathtub?
3. I just fall asleep whenever anything is less than enthralling. They like this in schools.
4. I did 24+ hrs for the first time a couple of weeks ago.
5. I can’t read, but I do like ‘Look Around You’.
1. About two weeks into the summer holidays when I’ve finally managed to de-stress.
2. Umm probably on the ground. My air mattress had a hole in it and the tent was flooded. Fun times.
3. In high school we were forced to do technical subjects like Plastics. I fell asleep with all the weird plastic making machines roaring and whirring behind me.
4. About 40 hours I think, all linked to long plane flights from Oz and jet lag.
5. I don’t read about science.
1. Sundays, some of us work on a sodding Saturday, also the school across the street isn’t open so the screaming kids cant wake me up either. My old room back at my parents house is good for a lie-in too due to the black-out blind on the window.
2. A shelter made of branches and twigs in the woods when I was on a Scout camp in 1995.
3. I fell asleep during an eye test, I wasn’t being tested, I was the Opticians Assistant. I snored too.
4. 38 hours coming back from Canada, got home at 8am (GMT) and spent all day unpacking and doing my washing, then went out on the piss, I lasted 3 beers before having to go home.
5. The phone that runs on coke.
1. My days off are all over the place. My best lie ins are whenever they’re available.
2. I once slept under a rhododendron bush in my garden because I thought I was locked out. I wasn’t. My key was in the lock.
3. I also once fell asleep during a blowjob. I got away with it though. I regularly fell asleep during early morning lectures at uni. This was made more problematic by the fact my lectures only had 10 people in them and my snoring was audible.
4. I once stayed awake for 3 days with some friends. It was a fairly typical student type bet. People got angry and kerazee. I won.
5. Science?
Kerazee? OH. CRAZY.
But I had to sit muttering it to myself for about 10 minutes before I got it.
/all time cognitive slump low
Sodomised electrons.